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Old May 7th, 2007, 11:58 PM   #1261
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Old May 8th, 2007, 12:00 AM   #1262
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Obviously the smart money is on Dubai. They just seem to want to compete with themselves.
I know. I was talking about next tallest one in USA not Dubai.
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Old May 8th, 2007, 12:08 AM   #1263
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Well you do realize that when the classical buildings were built, they didn't fit into their surroundings don't you? Chicago was a wind swept prairie. When the internation style came to this country with it's sleek lines and simple form, they weren't traditional.

It's called progress. That's while Chicago is the way it is because of forward thinking design. When the Chicago School of architecture was invented, it was forward thinking design, some of the worlds first skyscrapers.

Step of the box....

Are you going to go back to the typewrite because of the computer? You going to back to the Model T because of the Thunderbird?

Progress man, progress...
Read a little further before you ask questions. I spoke to the "way back when" remark down the page.

And I don't know what the h*** you are talking about with the Model T reference.

Look, you call it progress, I call it a giant drill bit, and I call it UGLY. You have your opinion, and I won't try to change it. I have my opinion. You should respect it though you disagree.

I think in order to have these cities (Chicago, NY) stay attractive as they are today it is important to design these new buildings to compliment the surroundings, not be on the "cutting edge" whatever the heck that means.

Just becasue you CAN design it and you CAN build it without it falling over doesn't necessarily mean you SHOULD.

That being said, it is 600 meters tall and TALL is what we want right? So build away.
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Old May 8th, 2007, 12:49 AM   #1264
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I think in order to have these cities (Chicago, NY) stay attractive as they are today it is important to design these new buildings to compliment the surroundings, not be on the "cutting edge" whatever the heck that means.
Do you know what the surrounding area is like? Basically all new construction with little bits of the past. This building is along the river and lake where tall buildings are encouraged, so it does fit in. For the most part, the immediate skyscrapers (completed) are pretty mundane and mistakes (IMO) in the first place. So to compliment the surroundings should we change the design to some 50 story concrete box sitting on top of a huge parking podium? Or should we let one of the world's best living architects design a spectacular and innovative building that is on a perfect site for a supertall?

Also, I should remind you that Lake Point Tower is pretty close by. A pretty radical design for 1968 and it certainly didn't fit into the neighborhood, but Chicago's architecture is so much richer with it.
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Old May 8th, 2007, 04:48 AM   #1265
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i didnt realise the plot was right next to the north pier tower... thats cool
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Old May 8th, 2007, 11:17 AM   #1266
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Damn it's tall...
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Old May 8th, 2007, 11:43 AM   #1267
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what a hugh screwdriver! marvelous!!! one of my favorite.
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Old May 8th, 2007, 06:09 PM   #1268
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There was an article in yesterday's Chicago Tribune:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/featur...,4823066.story

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Extreme is no equal for excellence

By Blair Kamin
Tribune architecture critic
Published May 6, 2007

It is too early to say anything definitive about the possibility of a Chicago skyscraper where one floor would rotate independently of the other, creating an ever-shifting silhouette. No site-specific plans exist. No site has even been selected. Such a skyscraper promises to be an eye-grabbing exercise in hip-swiveling hoochie-coochie. Sexy? Yes. Yet the thrill could wind up being cheap.

In a broader sense, the idea is disturbing because it encapsulates a trend that has come to define the way buildings are made and marketed these days: Extreme architecture. By that, I do not mean buildings of extreme height or size that win the dubious distinction of an entry in the Guinness World Records.

What I mean, instead, is extreme expression, the ceaseless quest for aesthetic novelty powered by new technologies that help generate new forms, which are always interesting but not so often good. The media, ever hungry for the latest "wow," is an accessory to the crime. In many cases, one wonders if the designs were meant for magazine covers, newspaper front pages or Web sites rather than real life.

Sometimes, as in the hands of Frank Gehry, extreme architecture has produced masterworks, such as that architect's Walt Disney Concert Hall in Los Angeles, whose exuberant mounds of stainless steel were realized with the same computer technology that made possible the complex curves of French Mirage jet fighters.

But Gehry only reached the pinnacle of Disney Hall, where he more satisfactorily resolved the demands of form and function than at his more-celebrated Guggenheim Museum in Bilbao, Spain, after years of painstakingly refining a neo-Baroque design language that evokes the chaotic quality of modern life.

To hand the Chicago skyline over to a relative novice, the Florence, Italy-based architect David Fisher, who is pushing the idea of a condominium, hotel and office tower here as well as in Dubai, would be akin to turning over the hallowed walls of the Art Institute to a high school art class.

To be sure, Fisher's idea is not without merit. His use of prefabrication techniques, with units made off-site and then hoisted into place around a concrete core, promises to drag antiquated construction technology into the 21st Century.

The prospect of a perpetually morphing shape would build on Santiago Calatrava's successful experiments in kinetic architecture, such as the birdlike sunshade of the Milwaukee Art Museum addition.

On the other hand, good luck solving the plumbing stack.

One can imagine -- and maybe even cotton to -- the prospect of such an attention-getting gesture in Dubai, where the cityscape is still forming and may need new landmarks to give people their physical and psychological bearings. But in Chicago?

On a riverfront parking lot next to NBC Tower, which is among the possible sites? A short walk from the Wrigley Building and the Tribune Tower? Why bother with those two venerable early 20th Century towers as you cruise down the Chicago River when you've got twirling pies in the sky within camera range?

rchitects say they "practice" for good reason. Every building is a form of preparation for the next one. Architects even talk of "practice buildings," the commissions that let an idea germinate and be tested before it is completely realized down the line. Ludwig Mies van der Rohe didn't simply shake the glorious bronze-clad Seagram Building in New York City out of his sleeve. He did more modest practice buildings, the curtain-walled apartment towers of 900 and 910 N. Lake Shore Drive in Chicago, first.


Calatrava has the edge

For that reason, I have far more faith in Calatrava's plan for the twisting, 150-story Chicago Spire than Fisher's notion of a spinning tower, 60 to 90 stories tall. Calatrava's already got a twisting skyscraper to his credit in Malmo, Sweden, the so-called Turning Torso tower. It's a dazzling sculpture, but disappointingly detailed. Presumably, he'll do better next time, drawing on the experience of a long career in which he has taken structures to -- and, sometimes, unreasonably beyond -- their natural limits.

Presumably.

In the end, Fisher's proposed rotating tower may be less important for itself than what it says about the extreme architecture of our time: Too few architects are making a dogged, continual search for underlying truths. Too many are giving in to the seductive, superficial allure of a perpetual revolution. It's a great way to get noticed, to advance careers and to sell real estate. And it gives us spectacle by the bushel. But the real question is whether it is giving us art -- and, oh, yes, a decent place to live.

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Old May 8th, 2007, 09:54 PM   #1269
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Chicago Spire

Very odd, I'm not convinced ;//
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Old May 8th, 2007, 10:35 PM   #1270
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Wow this is one of the best projects in the world right now! It is amazing looking with all those twists!
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Old May 9th, 2007, 02:14 AM   #1271
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one more day...
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Old May 9th, 2007, 04:27 AM   #1272
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Can't wait!!!!!!
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Old May 9th, 2007, 06:58 AM   #1273
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I found Chicago's skyline is better than New York's. Keep Growing!
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Old May 9th, 2007, 10:44 AM   #1274
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When they are going to start building?
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Old May 9th, 2007, 10:48 AM   #1275
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Old May 9th, 2007, 11:30 AM   #1276
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I really hope everything goes well at todays meeting. lets all prey that this things gets started real soon!
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Old May 9th, 2007, 11:45 AM   #1277
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I really hope everything goes well at todays meeting. lets all prey that this things gets started real soon!
Me too! Awesome tower!
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Old May 9th, 2007, 08:36 PM   #1278
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The Chicago Spire Receives Final Approval from The Chicago City Council

Construction on Calatrava’s Architectural Icon to Begin within the Month

CHICAGO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Shelbourne Development Group, Inc. announced that The Chicago Spire, an iconic building designed by internationally renowned architect and engineer Santiago Calatrava, received final approval today from the 50-member Chicago City Council. This action follows unanimous approval from both the City Council Planning Commission and the Zoning Committee in April. The Chicago Spire is scheduled for completion in late 2010 with construction expected to begin this month.

“The city of Chicago has enthusiastically embraced Mr. Calatrava’s vision, and we are both thrilled and humbled by the opportunity to add another architectural icon to the city’s skyline,” said Garrett Kelleher, executive chairman of Shelbourne Development Ltd. & the Shelbourne Development Group, Inc. “The Chicago Spire will be the world’s most celebrated address, and we look forward to beginning construction in a matter of weeks.”

The Chicago Spire, designed by a development team with experience in constructing some of the most prominent properties in the world, will provide a lifestyle unsurpassed by any other distinguished residence in the United States or abroad. Located at 400 North Lake Shore Drive, where the Chicago River meets Lake Michigan, the 2,000-foot tall elegantly twisting tower will house 1,200 unique residences with the finest amenities available anywhere in the world.

The Chicago Spire extends Santiago Calatrava’s artistic vision to create a modern and technologically advanced residential experience. Among its many extraordinary features, The Chicago Spire will include a spectacular four-story transparent glass lobby, unparalleled views from all residences, a six-story underground resident parking garage for 1,350 cars, and a one-acre landscaped public plaza.

The building will feature several innovations in engineering, including the world’s longest elevator run, a steel perimeter and concrete core. Also, The Chicago Spire will be engineered to meet the gold standard of LEED certification, which dictates among other things that rainwater be recycled for landscaping treatments, river water be used for cooling and special glass be included to protect migratory birds. Shelbourne is currently receiving bids for the caissons, which are part of The Chicago Spire’s support structure.

The Chicago sales center will be located in the NBC Tower, which overlooks The Chicago Spire site. The sales effort will be led by United Kingdom-based Savills, Plc. and will launch in early fall 2007 with a global marketing campaign. Savills is a leading international property advisor with experience marketing some of the finest residences around the globe, including One Hyde Park in London, and the Four Seasons Ocean Residence, a private ship.

For more information about The Chicago Spire and Shelbourne Development Group, Inc., see http://www.shelbournedevelopment.com/ and http://www.thechicagospire.com.

About Shelbourne Development

Shelbourne Development, headquartered in Dublin, is one of Ireland's leading property development companies, widely regarded as one of the country’s most professional and progressive developers. In the past three years, Shelbourne’s experienced team, known for its track record in evaluating and capitalizing on cycles in property markets, has completed in excess of 1.5 million square feet of construction in Ireland. It currently has a development pipeline in Dublin in excess of $2 billion US. Shelbourne is currently pursuing developments and projects in Ireland, UK, France and Chicago. Garrett Kelleher, executive chairman of Shelbourne Development Ltd & the Shelbourne Development Group, Inc. holds significant investment properties in Europe.

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/...91&newsLang=en
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Old May 9th, 2007, 08:43 PM   #1279
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The Chicago Spire Receives Final Approval from The Chicago City Council

Construction on Calatrava’s Architectural Icon to Begin within the Month

CHICAGO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Shelbourne Development Group, Inc. announced that The Chicago Spire, an iconic building designed by internationally renowned architect and engineer Santiago Calatrava, received final approval today from the 50-member Chicago City Council. This action follows unanimous approval from both the City Council Planning Commission and the Zoning Committee in April. The Chicago Spire is scheduled for completion in late 2010 with construction expected to begin this month.

“The city of Chicago has enthusiastically embraced Mr. Calatrava’s vision, and we are both thrilled and humbled by the opportunity to add another architectural icon to the city’s skyline,” said Garrett Kelleher, executive chairman of Shelbourne Development Ltd. & the Shelbourne Development Group, Inc. “The Chicago Spire will be the world’s most celebrated address, and we look forward to beginning construction in a matter of weeks.”

The Chicago Spire, designed by a development team with experience in constructing some of the most prominent properties in the world, will provide a lifestyle unsurpassed by any other distinguished residence in the United States or abroad. Located at 400 North Lake Shore Drive, where the Chicago River meets Lake Michigan, the 2,000-foot tall elegantly twisting tower will house 1,200 unique residences with the finest amenities available anywhere in the world.

The Chicago Spire extends Santiago Calatrava’s artistic vision to create a modern and technologically advanced residential experience. Among its many extraordinary features, The Chicago Spire will include a spectacular four-story transparent glass lobby, unparalleled views from all residences, a six-story underground resident parking garage for 1,350 cars, and a one-acre landscaped public plaza.

The building will feature several innovations in engineering, including the world’s longest elevator run, a steel perimeter and concrete core. Also, The Chicago Spire will be engineered to meet the gold standard of LEED certification, which dictates among other things that rainwater be recycled for landscaping treatments, river water be used for cooling and special glass be included to protect migratory birds. Shelbourne is currently receiving bids for the caissons, which are part of The Chicago Spire’s support structure.

The Chicago sales center will be located in the NBC Tower, which overlooks The Chicago Spire site. The sales effort will be led by United Kingdom-based Savills, Plc. and will launch in early fall 2007 with a global marketing campaign. Savills is a leading international property advisor with experience marketing some of the finest residences around the globe, including One Hyde Park in London, and the Four Seasons Ocean Residence, a private ship.

For more information about The Chicago Spire and Shelbourne Development Group, Inc., see http://www.shelbournedevelopment.com/ and http://www.thechicagospire.com.

About Shelbourne Development

Shelbourne Development, headquartered in Dublin, is one of Ireland's leading property development companies, widely regarded as one of the country’s most professional and progressive developers. In the past three years, Shelbourne’s experienced team, known for its track record in evaluating and capitalizing on cycles in property markets, has completed in excess of 1.5 million square feet of construction in Ireland. It currently has a development pipeline in Dublin in excess of $2 billion US. Shelbourne is currently pursuing developments and projects in Ireland, UK, France and Chicago. Garrett Kelleher, executive chairman of Shelbourne Development Ltd & the Shelbourne Development Group, Inc. holds significant investment properties in Europe.

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/...91&newsLang=en
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Old May 9th, 2007, 08:44 PM   #1280
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Great news, even if it was expected. I'll change the thread title.

Now let's get this one built!!!
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