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Old May 11th, 2007, 07:59 AM   #1361
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Still not holding my breath. But my fingers are crossed.
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Old May 11th, 2007, 08:26 AM   #1362
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I dont see this as an inefficient use of airspace if it has apartments stacked all the way to 2000 feet at all. It seems this should be a compelling reason to allow more height, especially since planes should be staying the hell away from downtown Chicago anyway. I could see them getting pissed if they wanted to add a 1000 foot spire for show but right now it's utilizing all the space well enough.
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Old May 11th, 2007, 09:50 AM   #1363
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I spoke to a friend of mine who works for the FAA in Washington a while back, and he assures me that the language sounds stronger than the policy actually is. It's much like zoning laws here in Chicago, they sound all strict, but if the proposal is a good one (and in Chicago, even a not so good one ocassionaly) it can get an exception. He also stated that the FAA already reviews any building over 500 feet, but it's just not as thorough a review as for a 2000 foot building. They've hardly ever even had an opportunity to get to review any building over 2000 feet, because they've very rarely even been proposed in this country. He said they did once give preliminary approval in Chicago for the 2500 foot World Trade Center designed by Harry Weese, but it was never built so it never went further than that. He does agree that the FAA would be more strict in cities such as Miami and Las Vegas because of current flight paths and their airports being so close to downtown, but in downtown Chicago he sees no real interference for a 2000+ foot building to get approval, especially now that Meigs Field is gone. He did say it would probably be a problem further north such as at Irving Park Road because of flight paths to O'Hare. I hope that clears up some of the confusion.
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Old May 11th, 2007, 09:52 AM   #1364
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Then there's no problem with the government.
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Old May 11th, 2007, 01:13 PM   #1365
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wow great!!! this tower is used for what???
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Old May 11th, 2007, 01:44 PM   #1366
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and if any GC's do bid on it the price will skyrocket) is that it'll get 30 stories in the air and Kelleher will say 'oops, out of money' now the city will have to bail it out or have a 1/3 finished blemish on its lakefront. This building is a huge ***** residing in fantasy land which can't physically be built in it's current form.
Even if it the was shelved 30 stories the lobby and plaza alone would look amazing. It wouldn't be the absolute end of the world to me if that did happen though I would obviously prefer it not to. Not to downplay the problamatic dissapointment in it I think that this building will not look like a dsaster no matter where it suddenly ends in my opinion so I will not worry about it too much about that possibility.
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Old May 11th, 2007, 02:00 PM   #1367
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i really like this building, kinda reminds me of the cucumber building in england. i like the fact that they arent whacking on a massive spire just for height. very unique!
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Old May 11th, 2007, 02:27 PM   #1368
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Kelleher is very aggressive and it looks like he will go ahead and build this, much with his own money which should keep loans and general costs down.
Wasn't it said that Kelleher will put up 30% of the cost out of his own pocket?
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The Roman Antiquities of Dionysius of Halicarnassus
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Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece". Strabo, VII, Frg. 9
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...ragments*.html

But north of the gulf, the first inhabitants are Greeks called Epirotes....
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Old May 11th, 2007, 03:16 PM   #1369
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I dont see this as an inefficient use of airspace if it has apartments stacked all the way to 2000 feet at all. It seems this should be a compelling reason to allow more height, especially since planes should be staying the hell away from downtown Chicago anyway. I could see them getting pissed if they wanted to add a 1000 foot spire for show but right now it's utilizing all the space well enough.
I've flown into Chicago and the plane was pretty darned close to downtown as it turned to line up for O'Hare. 2000 feet is tall enough.

To whomever said it was regulation not legislation: look at the quoted language. It ends wilth a CFR reference. That means it is the law. It was originallt put into the Code of Federal Regulations to prevent those rural radio masts from climbing into orbit and getting hit by anything but I think it makes sense. US airspace is clogged up enough and doesn't need buidings poking into the flightpaths.

Although I hate the drill bit look of this thing I do commend the designer for having useable space right to the top and not some stupid spire just to add height like the Burj Dubai. It should be fun to watch this thing being constructed.
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Old May 11th, 2007, 03:47 PM   #1370
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nice to see they have backed up all the hype with an approval.....cant wait to hear more news on the projects guidelines for gettin down to the dirty work.
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Old May 11th, 2007, 05:16 PM   #1371
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^ Grain storage
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Old May 11th, 2007, 05:19 PM   #1372
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^ haha I was going to say the same thing. It will be the worlds largest grain storage until Dubai builds one bigger.
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Old May 11th, 2007, 05:55 PM   #1373
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wow great!!! this tower is used for what???
Originally mixed use including office, commercial, hotel, and residential. Now straight residential.
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The Roman Antiquities of Dionysius of Halicarnassus
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...assus/1B*.html

Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece". Strabo, VII, Frg. 9
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...ragments*.html

But north of the gulf, the first inhabitants are Greeks called Epirotes....
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http://books.google.com/books?id=9m6...page&q&f=false
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Old May 11th, 2007, 06:29 PM   #1374
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Best response I've seen . . . anywhere.
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Old May 11th, 2007, 08:14 PM   #1375
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Old May 11th, 2007, 08:41 PM   #1376
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Even if it the was shelved 30 stories the lobby and plaza alone would look amazing. It wouldn't be the absolute end of the world to me if that did happen though I would obviously prefer it not to. Not to downplay the problamatic dissapointment in it I think that this building will not look like a dsaster no matter where it suddenly ends in my opinion so I will not worry about it too much about that possibility.
Of course by the time it gets to 30 stories, many of the big ticket items will be paid for (i.e. underground parking, expensive foundation, purchase of land, engineering/architecture/planning, etc.) I would think the cost to keep going up would still have a good return. If construction starts and they run out of money, I think it will be during excavation/construction of the parking garage.
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Old May 11th, 2007, 08:47 PM   #1377
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^ Grain storage
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OMG! Can you imagine what Carl Sandberg would say if he saw Chicago returning to its roots!

I guess with a project this big and so much stacking space, they won't need Marina City anymore and can convert it to residential usage.
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Old May 11th, 2007, 11:22 PM   #1378
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Hog Butcher for the World,
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OMG! Can you imagine what Carl Sandberg would say if he saw Chicago returning to its roots!

I guess with a project this big and so much stacking space, they won't need Marina City anymore and can convert it to residential usage.
Do you live in Chicago? Marina City is/has always been apartment residential (now condominiums)!
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Old May 11th, 2007, 11:57 PM   #1379
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Do you live in Chicago? Marina City is/has always been apartment residential (now condominiums)!
^ You did NOT actually think he was being serious, did you?
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Old May 12th, 2007, 01:06 AM   #1380
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Even if it the was shelved 30 stories the lobby and plaza alone would look amazing. It wouldn't be the absolute end of the world to me if that did happen though I would obviously prefer it not to. Not to downplay the problamatic dissapointment in it I think that this building will not look like a dsaster no matter where it suddenly ends in my opinion so I will not worry about it too much about that possibility.

Good point. I scrolled down so I could only see 30-40 stories and this building still looks great.

If this really did happen, it would be engenered to one day finish the project once and for all.
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