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Old May 29th, 2007, 09:43 PM   #1541
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Old May 29th, 2007, 09:44 PM   #1542
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You guys are flooding the thread with your conversations so its harder for people to dig up the info on the building. There are other sections in this website for discussions like that. That is why they try to keep this website organized with all the sections.
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Old May 29th, 2007, 09:53 PM   #1543
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I'm struggling to understand why all of you are so put off by a discussion about architecture. The entire point of this website is to discuss architecture and urban development. Everything else is secondary. And, yet, when a few people strike up a debate about this project and that debate happens to implicate other buildings in its scope, people start complaining. You act as though you're being forced to read it. If it doesn't interest you, then leave it alone. But I'm tired of seeing all of these immature snipes from people.
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Old May 29th, 2007, 09:57 PM   #1544
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/\ I absolutely agree with Hydrogen.
And there is no use just dismissing Graham, its obvious he knows his way around architecture, and im actually facinated by his opinions and thoughts.
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Old May 29th, 2007, 10:52 PM   #1545
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why is this attention wh0re, graham, allowed to spam the chicago spire thread? why aren't the moderators doing their job? if you do not want to devote your time to keeping threads on topic, then get somebody else to do it like me.
Some cheese with your whine?

C'mon, the debate is good, it is interesting reading and most of all it shows that this place is more than a list of sychophantic "I love this building", "how tall is it now", and "great pics, thanks" posts. The best way for a site like this to go down the tubes is for the mods to start pulling controversy. Disagreement is healthy, it makes you take a look at your own arguement and strengthen it.

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Old May 29th, 2007, 11:01 PM   #1546
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i actually would love to see a decent version of the chicago spire with neoclassical influences... its a stye i particularly like.
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Old May 30th, 2007, 02:01 AM   #1547
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You guys are flooding the thread with your conversations so its harder for people to dig up the info on the building. There are other sections in this website for discussions like that. That is why they try to keep this website organized with all the sections.
If you think I (and others) are shifting this discussion off-topic, I'm sorry, but context is important here. I dunno about the Taj Mahal comparison, but I think looking at this building a comparing it to it's peers--other supertalls in Chicago and recently constructed buildings around the world. Why it will/won't fit, influences, why the building is uninteresting/interesting, etc. To me that's a lot more interesting than reading, "we've reached the 83rd floor", or, "they're adding glass". Actually, the chicago forum has a thread dedicated to the CS, and they're spending a fair amount of time discussing similar things.

I could do without altering the renderings to look like a supersized Pisa or a Greek column. These don't really contribute anything to the discussion.
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Old May 30th, 2007, 02:09 AM   #1548
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i dont care about the other things just those pics of the taj mahal out of nowhere is what i am replying too.
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Old May 30th, 2007, 03:05 AM   #1549
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I'm not sure why the feminity of this tower is such a big deal. Just because it doesn't have a fat-ass base doesn't mean it's not sturdy, or that it causes people to have fear. Sure it does but people get over it soon enough. Towers these days seem more and more to defy gravity, look at the CCTV building in Beijing, what about highliff in honk kong, etc.
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Old May 30th, 2007, 05:54 AM   #1550
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I imagined that or my post and all its replies have disappeared Was it censured? If so, sorry for the convenience but it was only a joke about the comparison between the Taj Mahal and the Chispire and Graham found it funny…
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Old May 30th, 2007, 05:39 PM   #1551
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Old May 30th, 2007, 05:43 PM   #1552
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Chicago Spire prepares for construction

Wednesday, May 30, 2007

Chicago, IL, US (NCS) - Following the Chicago Plan Commission’s unanimous approval of Shelbourne Development’s proposal in April for the 2,000-foot-tall residential tower with an underground parking garage, the City Council approved the same proposal weeks later.

Garrett Kelleher, president of Shelbourne Development, has since been busy making plans to initiate construction of Santiago Calatrava’s famed Chicago Spire.

It is confirmed that construction will begin this summer, according to Kim Metcalfe of Weber Shandwick, the PR firm representing Garrett Kelleher and Shelbourne Development.

Full story at NewcitySkyline
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Old May 30th, 2007, 05:46 PM   #1553
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Chicago Spire prepares for construction

Wednesday, May 30, 2007

Chicago, IL, US (NCS) - Following the Chicago Plan Commission’s unanimous approval of Shelbourne Development’s proposal in April for the 2,000-foot-tall residential tower with an underground parking garage, the City Council approved the same proposal weeks later.

Garrett Kelleher, president of Shelbourne Development, has since been busy making plans to initiate construction of Santiago Calatrava’s famed Chicago Spire.

It is confirmed that construction will begin this summer, according to Kim Metcalfe of Weber Shandwick, the PR firm representing Garrett Kelleher and Shelbourne Development.

Full story at NewcitySkyline
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Old May 30th, 2007, 05:50 PM   #1554
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Old May 30th, 2007, 06:10 PM   #1555
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summer is good but it can mean 3 months . hopefully they mean june as we guessed all the time
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Old May 30th, 2007, 06:32 PM   #1556
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God please let this NOT be a dream.........
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for the Pelasgians, too, were a Greek nation originally from the Peloponnesus
The Roman Antiquities of Dionysius of Halicarnassus
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...assus/1B*.html

Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece". Strabo, VII, Frg. 9
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...ragments*.html

But north of the gulf, the first inhabitants are Greeks called Epirotes....
Procopius
http://books.google.com/books?id=9m6...page&q&f=false
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Old May 30th, 2007, 06:47 PM   #1557
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graham, I really REALLY don't think black suits this tower at all. Also I don't like the modified top but the base I do like. Could you please make a render with the original colours and top but with your version of the base? I would seem like it grows from the ground which I like
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Old May 30th, 2007, 10:13 PM   #1558
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no dream....reality!!
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Old May 30th, 2007, 11:33 PM   #1559
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AWESOME!!!!! I can't wait to see loads of construction pictures of Chicago Spires one day!
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Old May 30th, 2007, 11:34 PM   #1560
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graham, I really REALLY don't think black suits this tower at all. Also I don't like the modified top but the base I do like. Could you please make a render with the original colours and top but with your version of the base? I would seem like it grows from the ground which I like
You asked for it - you got it! Toyota.





At great risk of being sworn at, misunderstood, ridiculed and told to discuss the design of CS in another section, I analyse .....

The first base render is cluttered, complicated, fussy, frilly, fragile, insecure, feminine, some elements are old fashioned , no privacy, no contextualism, no harmony of shape or line. Do you see the forked devil tails? Granted it's open and airy. Why is that good again?? Oh yeah, NIMBY groups. Enuff said.

The second base render is simple, clean, secure, private, anchored, strong, masculine, contains some contexturalism, unbroken pattern repeats. Tree trunk symbolism evokes an organic expression of strength. Above all - it's simple which is the unrecoverable defect in the first render. Almost all superior design is uncomplicated.

Perhaps I've said too much.
The first design for CS was the best.
It had a base that evoked strength at least.
Keep in mind the actual psycological impact 911 has had on society (albeit unrecognized).
Banks are worried about that when assesing saleability.
It should look strong and be strong.
Americans are not in the mood for frivolous illusion.
We have David Copperfield for that!

Unfortunately, the tiny lot size bears on what is possible designwise.
Have a look at this.........



They would have to scale the whole project down to have a flared base that fits there. The lot size is sucking the life from good design ideas for a very tall building.
Go waaay tall ( hell, go for 200 stories ! beat the Burj Dubai even!! ) All of America can get behind that idea! On a bigger lot.
Why try to jam a round peg in a square hole?
Go big on a bigger lot with a good design or go home!
And the contaminated park across the way is not exactly a sales kicker.
Although I have great respect for most architects, it's the banks that really have their finger on what will sell, and for how much.

Please don't flame me.
If I'm wrong, say why I'm wrong please.
And say what you would suggest instead.
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