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Old January 27th, 2009, 01:52 PM   #361
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The M3/M1 interchange in Mulgrave orginally never intended to be full diamond interchange, nor 3/4 diamond interchange. Originally, you could transfer b/w fwys Melbourne-Frankston and Ringwood-Dandenong, but not Ringwood-Melbourne nor Dandenong, Frankston; check out melways from 5 or 10 years ago.

Melbourne-Ringwood link only added in for local political convenience.

It's a similar story with M1/M420 interchange.
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Old January 27th, 2009, 02:01 PM   #362
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If an extra eastbound link was needed I would say that the M420/M1 interchange would be more needed than at the M3/M1 interchange
I agree, but it should be coupled with a motorway standard link between the A780 and the M3. Alternatively, Thompsons Road should be duplicated and extended east, to provide a connection between the M3 north of Frankston and the M1 Pakenham Bypass. Currently, I don't see that there is an easy route between Frankston and Pakenham that doesn't involve traveling through the middle of an urban area - there certainly isn't a numbered route with that function.
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Old January 29th, 2009, 04:06 PM   #363
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I took over 200 pictures today which will take a while to sort out, so I'm just going to post a few for now before I go to bed. Here are a few of my favourite pictures of the Western Distributor (although I've taken more than a hundred pictures of this road alone):

1. The Western Distributor flyovers through Darling Harbour, seen from the Pyrmont Bridge

[IMG]http://i43.************/2n1dxky.jpg[/IMG]


2. The north-easternmost section of the road, carrying traffic onto the Harbour Bridge

[IMG]http://i43.************/33d819z.jpg[/IMG]


3. Westbound flyovers, seen from the Druitt Street pedestrian bridge

[IMG]http://i44.************/343svgh.jpg[/IMG]


4. Main eastbound carriageway, carrying traffic towards the CBD and Harbour Bridge

[IMG]http://i39.************/o88600.jpg[/IMG]

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Old January 29th, 2009, 06:28 PM   #364
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That's quite urban, I like it.
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Old January 30th, 2009, 10:27 AM   #365
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Some more pictures of the Western Distributor, mostly taken from underneath it:

1. I love the way the freeway passes right over the commercial area of Darling Harbour; when it's not University holidays I walk under here five days each week and admire these flyovers just about every day

[IMG]http://i39.************/27ysn4j.jpg[/IMG]


2. Restaurant patrons eat their food under the highway (there are several places to eat here)

[IMG]http://i41.************/9a4s3n.jpg[/IMG]


3. The eastbound flyover passes over some of the open space in Darling Harbour

[IMG]http://i42.************/30ti8eb.jpg[/IMG]


4. From left to right: the westbound Fig Street off-ramp, the westbound Druitt Street on-ramp and the eastbound Bathurst Street off-ramp

[IMG]http://i40.************/e6vdag.jpg[/IMG]


5. The main westbound flyover and the Fig Street off-ramp separating from each other

[IMG]http://i42.************/2i0enmr.jpg[/IMG]


6. The westbound Druitt Street on-ramp passes over the eastbound Bathurst Street off-ramp (which now also leads into the Cross City Tunnel), creating a double-decker effect

[IMG]http://i43.************/jjo6mf.jpg[/IMG]


7+8. The ramp stub for the eastbound Druitt street off-ramp, which was never built and probably never will be now that the IMAX is in the way

[IMG]http://i39.************/2qd1ulw.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i44.************/2gwb5no.jpg[/IMG]
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Old January 31st, 2009, 12:16 PM   #366
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Brisbane Freeways/Motorways

Hello

I was looking and this fourm and I joined to comment on the Brisbane Freeway System.

I live in the western suburbs of brisbane and getting to the city in peak hour is Hell. I do not drive, I catch buses, but that is another topic.

Ipswich Motorway it Hell, and traffic backed up for kilometers in morning and afternoon peak, due to bad merges, road works and lack of service roads. And city end of the motorway end's into road, like most and it is a slow 11.5 kilometer trip in to the city.

Centenary Highway / Western Freeway is a great freeway when it is moving. I want to make the comment the city end of the freeway end's in Double Roundabouts with traffic lights in peak hours.

Who in the world ends one of there major freeways with two roundabouts. Then on to miltion road, which moves ok, but the freeway is backed up 3-7 kilometers, due to the roundabouts.

The afternoon it is back up at the Ipswich motorway interchange, due to roadworks and the roundabout. The roadworks are to remove the roundabout to a interchange system.

The Gateway Motorway has accident eveyday, so is a constant traffic jam.

Riverside Expressway (City Section) / South East Freeway (Southbank to Springwood) / Pacific Motorway (From Springwood), is full, it cannot take much more traffic, the captain cook brigde, which is the link between the South East Freeway and the Riverside Expressway is the second busiest bridge in australia, about 120 000 cars a day.

From 2007 the government after 20 years of nothing said, we must build more roads. It a mad house currently as project are happening everywhere, adding the travel time.

I have said my peace, if you would like photos, just reply and I will post some up.

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Old January 31st, 2009, 12:25 PM   #367
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Hi Yogiew,

do you support the Goodna bypass?
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Old January 31st, 2009, 12:52 PM   #368
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Hi

No I do not support the goodna bypass, as just moves traffic from one section of the motorway to another, it is not solve the problem.

Or the motorway from ipswich motorway to the ipswich motorway. I know a lot of people who use the motorway and the bypass is stupid.

We really need a complete Brisbane by pass, Motorway that connects the Bruce Highway, Warrego Highway, Cunningham Highway and the Pacific Motorway together, without going thought the city.

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Old January 31st, 2009, 03:05 PM   #369
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Hello

I was looking and this fourm and I joined to comment on the Brisbane Freeway System.

I live in the western suburbs of brisbane and getting to the city in peak hour is Hell. I do not drive, I catch buses, but that is another topic.

Ipswich Motorway it Hell, and traffic backed up for kilometers in morning and afternoon peak, due to bad merges, road works and lack of service roads. And city end of the motorway end's into road, like most and it is a slow 11.5 kilometer trip in to the city.

Centenary Highway / Western Freeway is a great freeway when it is moving. I want to make the comment the city end of the freeway end's in Double Roundabouts with traffic lights in peak hours.

Who in the world ends one of there major freeways with two roundabouts. Then on to miltion road, which moves ok, but the freeway is backed up 3-7 kilometers, due to the roundabouts.

The afternoon it is back up at the Ipswich motorway interchange, due to roadworks and the roundabout. The roadworks are to remove the roundabout to a interchange system.

The Gateway Motorway has accident eveyday, so is a constant traffic jam.

Riverside Expressway (City Section) / South East Freeway (Southbank to Springwood) / Pacific Motorway (From Springwood), is full, it cannot take much more traffic, the captain cook brigde, which is the link between the South East Freeway and the Riverside Expressway is the second busiest bridge in australia, about 120 000 cars a day.

From 2007 the government after 20 years of nothing said, we must build more roads. It a mad house currently as project are happening everywhere, adding the travel time.

I have said my peace, if you would like photos, just reply and I will post some up.

Thanks
Yogiew
What kind of interchange is it becoming?. If it's a standard diamond with traffic lights, I bet you will think back in sadness at the removal of the roundabouts. Wherever roundabouts have been converted to lights the traffic has become much worse.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 03:16 PM   #370
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Hello Scotdaliney

The currently the roundabout is built above Ipswich motorway and the Centenary Highway is roundabout with the exits being onramps to the motorway and offramps being entery to the roundabout. The roundabout is big it has 2 bridge crossings of the motorway below the gap between is about 300 meters between the two bridges or the roundabout.

It is beening replaced with an proper off and on ramp system with no stopping on either motorway/highway.

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Old January 31st, 2009, 03:29 PM   #371
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Basically, a completely free-flowing interchange (see map) - an incomplete turbine interchange with one cloverleaf ramp.

More info here.

Also, nice pics, Steve - particularly the one with the double-decker effect. I remember eating below the viaduct in the second pic (iirc) nearly a decade ago, and being surprised by its height and its integration with the area.

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Old January 31st, 2009, 07:56 PM   #372
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Driving video: Anzac Bridge / Western Distributor / Sydney Harbour Bridge

Length: 6.9 km / 7:48 (average speed 53 km/h)
Date: Saturday, 31st January, 2009
Time: 23:30 (approx.)

Route:

[IMG]http://i41.************/2a9d6hu.png[/IMG]



There were some roadworks on the Harbour Bridge tonight, so the left lane was closed and there was a 40 km/h speed limit in place (but everybody was doing 50-60 anyway). Also, the quality is only 320x240 and 15 frames per second, which I can't really do much about until I get a bigger SD card.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 08:46 PM   #373
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Nice video Robosteve! 15 fps is good enough to my surprise. It's the first time I've seen lane numbering, what's it used for? Are the Harbour Bridge lanes always distributed in the 4+2 manner?
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Nice video Robosteve! 15 fps is good enough to my surprise. It's the first time I've seen lane numbering, what's it used for? Are the Harbour Bridge lanes always distributed in the 4+2 manner?
I'm not entirely certain of the reason for numbering the lanes on the bridge, perhaps it's done for administrative reasons. There are a total of eight lanes; lanes 1 through 6 were opened in 1932 when the bridge was completed, while lanes 7 and 8 were later built on space that was originally planned for a railway line, and opened in 1958.

The first six lanes are nearly always used as 4+2, but they switch direction depending on the time of day. In the morning, there are four southbound lanes, and in the afternoon/evening there are four northbound lanes. It's theoretically possible for them to use any configuration, though; I think they use 5+1 sometimes if traffic volumes warrant it, and before lane 7 was turned into a 24 hour bus lane in 1994 they would sometimes use 6+0.

Lanes 7 and 8 serve a completely different purpose to the rest of the bridge; lane 7 is a 24 hour southbound bus lane and lane 8 leads onto the Cahill Expressway.
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Cool video; I wish there was some music too.
I tried to put some in; see the post I'm about to make in the Roadside rest area for an explanation.
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Cool video; I wish there was some music too.
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Old February 1st, 2009, 03:47 AM   #377
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Driving video: Anzac Bridge / Western Distributor / Sydney Harbour Bridge

Length: 6.9 km / 7:48 (average speed 53 km/h)
Date: Saturday, 31st January, 2009
Time: 23:30 (approx.)

Route:

[IMG]http://i41.************/2a9d6hu.png[/IMG]



There were some roadworks on the Harbour Bridge tonight, so the left lane was closed and there was a 40 km/h speed limit in place (but everybody was doing 50-60 anyway). Also, the quality is only 320x240 and 15 frames per second, which I can't really do much about until I get a bigger SD card.
This should give people a good idea of the route you took. I love the Anzac bridge, it's better than the Sydney Harbour Bridge IMO. The Western Distributor gives some great views too.



I love how many tunnels Sydney has under it's CBD as well. Is there a big underground interchange between the Eastern Distributor and the Cross City tunnel?
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Old February 1st, 2009, 10:48 AM   #378
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Is there a big underground interchange between the Eastern Distributor and the Cross City tunnel?
A partial one; only three turning movements are possible. To go from north to east, you need to take the William Street exit, and similar surface movements are required for travel between south and east. North and west movement isn't provided for because the Western Distributor plays that role, so it would be redundant.

Here is what the interchange looks like:



And here is a map of the entire tunnel:



For more information, see www.crosscity.com.au.
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Great video Robosteve.
It's amazing that mish-mash at the southern end of the SHB. Hopefully they will go electronic there at some stage and get a more sensible layout.

Great to see you contributing so much here
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Great video Robosteve.
It's amazing that mish-mash at the southern end of the SHB. Hopefully they will go electronic there at some stage and get a more sensible layout.
It's been electronic for a few weeks now, I don't know why it still looks like that.
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