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Old July 24th, 2016, 03:17 PM   #1161
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I remember plans for continuous flow intersections in Melbourne a year or 2 ago. Haven't read anything about it since.
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Old August 3rd, 2016, 11:06 AM   #1162
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Hello all, I am new to the forum

I am very excited to see how the new Western Distributor project turns out when it is completed, looks pretty interesting and cool.
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Old August 3rd, 2016, 03:16 PM   #1163
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Hello all, I am new to the forum

I am very excited to see how the new Western Distributor project turns out when it is completed, looks pretty interesting and cool.
Hi paradiseRacer32, welcome to the highways & autobahns area of skyscrapercity!

Are you Australian / or outside Australia?

If you go back a couple of pages I posted some info on Western Distributor not long ago including diagrams. If you go back further someone else posted a video. A week or tow ago the government announced that the tunnel portals at the southern/western end will be located west of Williamstown Road; but the final design is not yet completed.

what interests me most is how the distributor will interact at Dynon Road.
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Old August 4th, 2016, 12:16 AM   #1164
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Yes I live in Melbourne.

If you go on the Western Distributor website they made an interactive map of the project. Unfortunately I cannot post it here since I need 10 posts to be able to post links. (tongue3)
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Old August 4th, 2016, 02:55 PM   #1165
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The Supreme Court of Western Australia has ruled favorably for the 'Roe 8' project in Perth. The project would extend the Roe Highway to Stock Road.
If the Kwinana Freeway Interchange is completed as a cloverturbine/clovermill as per your image it will be one of relatively few four-way full access freeflow interchanges in Australia. Only the cloverturbine variant near Perth airport and the Light Horse stack really come to mind (admittedly, I've only been to the country once!).
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Old August 7th, 2016, 01:26 PM   #1166
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If the Kwinana Freeway Interchange is completed as a cloverturbine/clovermill as per your image it will be one of relatively few four-way full access freeflow interchanges in Australia. Only the cloverturbine variant near Perth airport and the Light Horse stack really come to mind (admittedly, I've only been to the country once!).
Including those and Reid/Tonkin. Perth will have 3 of the four full freeway to freeway interchanges in Australia soon. (Some argue Tonkin/Leach isn't, but the stop from tonkin north to leach west is at a close but different interchange (abernethy).
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Old August 18th, 2016, 09:23 PM   #1167
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Bruce Highway, Queensland

The Palaszczuk Government is delivering the Mackay Ring Road

The route for the proposed Mackay Ring Road on the Bruce Highway has now been finalised with early works to commence shortly.

Member for Mackay Julieanne Gilbert said the Mackay Ring Road project is the largest project ever undertaken by the Queensland Department of Transport and Main Roads in the Mackay and Whitsunday region.

“Early works will start shortly ahead of major construction, scheduled to begin in 2017 and will take about three years to complete.”

The $560 million project is jointly funded by the Queensland and Australian governments.
Full press release: http://statements.qld.gov.au/Stateme...ckay-ring-road
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Old August 24th, 2016, 02:40 AM   #1168
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Northconnex - 9km tunnel linking the M2 to the M1 in Sydney. When complete, it will mark the full completion of dual carriageway between Melbourne and Newcastle.

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Old September 16th, 2016, 09:04 PM   #1169
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Bruce Highway, Queensland

The first diverging diamond interchange of Australia will be constructed as part of the Bruce Highway expansion from Caloundra Road to the Sunshine Motorway, north of Brisbane.

The DDI will be constructed at the Caloundra Road interchange. Construction is planned to start mid 2017 and is planned for completion in 2020.

Like usual, this project is extremely expensive, at A$ 929 million for a six kilometer widening project. I really don't understand why Australian road projects are so hugely expensive. This project is not particularly complex and it doesn't feature any tunnels or significant bridges.

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Old September 17th, 2016, 09:08 AM   #1170
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I'm Australian so used to the high costs for these projects but this one just seems eye watering! 900 mill for just 6 kays is ridiculous.
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Old September 17th, 2016, 10:52 AM   #1171
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The first diverging diamond interchange of Australia will be constructed as part of the Bruce Highway expansion from Caloundra Road to the Sunshine Motorway, north of Brisbane.

The DDI will be constructed at the Caloundra Road interchange. Construction is planned to start mid 2017 and is planned for completion in 2020.

Like usual, this project is extremely expensive, at A$ 929 million for a six kilometer widening project. I really don't understand why Australian road projects are so hugely expensive. This project is not particularly complex and it doesn't feature any tunnels or significant bridges.


This might be a real guide of how things work in Australia. Not related to road construction specifically, but the construction industry generally, including transport. If you're interested, material from Grace Collier may be worth reading. The rest of the Australian media would not talk about this stuff, hence it's not a public scandal. If a particular project is worth $100 million cost given its scope, the Australian public would not know any better if the government authorities quoted them a cost of $150 million and therefore accept the higher cost.

What might happen in Victoria can occur interstate too.


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Federal election 2016: deals putting (Labor) people first

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12:00AM May 27, 2016


Bill Shorten’s election slogan is “putting people first”. How very insincere. If this slogan were truthful it would read, “putting Labor people first”. Events in the *Victorian construction sector are the most recent example.

Over the next four years, more than $28 billion of public funds will be spent on Victorian infrastructure. Things are looking up for *federal Labor; the polls give them a chance at the election. In a flush of optimism, handshake deals are being done behind closed doors. Just in case Shorten wins, *construction unions and their *favoured construction firms are pre-emptively dividing up the spoils, with verbal agreement on a draft enterprise bargaining *agreement.

If Labor wins, a certain EBA will be signed and rolled out across Victoria’s construction sector. Any company that wants government work will have to sign it and have union *officials sign it too.

In return for union signatures, officials must be kept happy; a “union relationship” will have to be fostered. You may let your imagination run wild with the possibilities.

This EBA will artificially inflate the cost of construction. According to a report from Deloitte, if this EBA is applied over the next four years, citizens will pay $806*million more than they should for things they need built, such as roads and hospitals.

The Labor construction money-go-round works like this; your tax dollars flow from Labor to businesses, from businesses to *unions, and from unions back to Labor. It is a lucrative racket.


No one wants construction workers to be poorly paid, and they are not. Deloitte says Victorian unskilled labourers already earn about $151,000 per year and *carpenters $163,000. If these are the wages that apply to people at the bottom of the *ladder, can you imagine what the salaries are up the chain? Then there is the cost of all the bribes and *“entertainment *expenses”.
If the Coalition wins the election, this EBA will not apply. Any building company that signed it would be denied government work. Construction would occur in accordance with a code of conduct, applied to the building companies. The ABCC would *enforce it and ensure price rigging did not occur.

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Old September 18th, 2016, 11:59 AM   #1172
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The first diverging diamond interchange of Australia will be constructed as part of the Bruce Highway expansion from Caloundra Road to the Sunshine Motorway, north of Brisbane.

The DDI will be constructed at the Caloundra Road interchange. Construction is planned to start mid 2017 and is planned for completion in 2020.

Like usual, this project is extremely expensive, at A$ 929 million for a six kilometer widening project. I really don't understand why Australian road projects are so hugely expensive. This project is not particularly complex and it doesn't feature any tunnels or significant bridges.

I'll save you $50million by not including that dedicated off-ramp to the minor road, saving the need for an extra bridge. Literally achieves nothing.
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Old September 19th, 2016, 02:31 AM   #1173
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Looks like an interesting project. Yes it does also baffle me (an Australian) that the road projects are so expensive.

The Citylink Tulla widening will cost $1.28 billion but it makes more sense as it is 24 kilometres long and features new bridges etc..
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Old September 19th, 2016, 04:39 AM   #1174
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Like usual, this project is extremely expensive, at A$ 929 million for a six kilometer widening project.
We need a Royal Commission investigation into road construction costs. The mining boom is over now so costs should be coming down.
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Old September 19th, 2016, 11:41 AM   #1175
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Like usual, this project is extremely expensive, at A$ 929 million for a six kilometer widening project. I really don't understand why Australian road projects are so hugely expensive. This project is not particularly complex and it doesn't feature any tunnels or significant bridges.

I don't want to argue against the costs looking really high, because indeed, they really do!

But you also have to consider that it is 6 km of widening, plus rebuilding two interchanges, plus a lot of local roads, plus new exits resp. exit reconfiguration:


(See http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/brucehwycaloundra2sunshinemwy)

So, no major new bridge, but a multitude of bridges in the interchange. And I would say that this makes it a complex project, reconstructing interchanges of already busy motorway interchanges under traffic always makes projects take longer and become more expensive.

Yes, still very expensive, yes, likely way too expensive - but not as expensive as you make it sound in your original post, as it is not just a "a six kilometer widening project"
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Old September 19th, 2016, 03:08 PM   #1176
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Victoria Windfall - lease of Port of Melbourne

Today the Victorian Government had some very good news as it finalised a deal to lease the Port of Melbourne for 50 years. Originally it expected a AUD 5 to 6 billion sale price; what it got was $9.7 billion - quite a whole lot more. Naturally it brings out the begging bowls of all in the community, however the government seems very keen on spending it on road and rail projects as it would give them the greatest chance of winning the next state election, to be held in over two years time.

So what does this mean for Victorian infrastructure projects?

The government promised in the first place to sell the port in order to pay for 50 level crossing removals, at a cost of some $5 billion. This includes the 'skyrail' project that removes nine level crossings on one line in one hit.

That leave $4.7 billion left over.

The government says that 10% of proceeds will be invested in rural & regional projects, some projects which will assist access to the ports in Melbourne, Geelong, Portland and Hastings. - $970 million

Other projects on the government's wish list include:

Western Distributor - but state's contribution already paid for in the state budget

North East Link - connect the ring road at Greensborough to the Eastern Freeway

Melbourne Metro - the government's signature project; perhaps not totally funded for but this extra cash goes a long way to sure up the project.


Furthermore, a couple of year's ago the federal government started encouraging the states and territories to privatise assets and invest the proceeds into infrastructure, by offering them an additional 15% of the sale price direct to the state to spend on an infrastructure project of their choice. This was called the 'Asset Recycling Scheme'. At $9.7 b Victoria could receive an additional windfall of nearly $1.5 billion.

NSW secured over $2 billion and Victoria was allocated $877 million for the Melbourne Metro based on a $5-6 billion sale price. Now the sale price is $9.7 billion Victoria feels entitled to an extra $600 million approx. but the feds say the scheme closed on June 30.
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A regular overpass usually doesn't cost more than a couple of million dollars each. Even when building 20 or 30 of them, it doesn't explain the $ 150 million/kilometre figure.
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A regular overpass usually doesn't cost more than a couple of million dollars each. Even when building 20 or 30 of them, it doesn't explain the $ 150 million/kilometre figure.
Maybe it is to cover the costs of a few beers at the former "Ettamogah" Pub at Aussie World located midway along this project?
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Melbourne – Completing the Ring Road / North East Link




Inching closer to being put on the agenda; some spare cash as a result of the port lease windfall means we may see some movement on this road project that finally completes the city’s ring road. However, like the east-west link it is likely to find its own controversy which is why it hasn’t been built until now. With east-west link off the agenda for now it makes it more likely that the North East Link to be built. The North East Link will connect the existing end of the ring road, at Greensborough, to the Eastern Freeway.

Basically there are two potential routes for this missing link:
• Route A / Greensborough to Ringwood via Bulleen
• Route B / Greensborough to Ringwood via Eltham

Here are the pros and cons for each route. In my opinion route A is superior option by a long way.

A Route is the two sides of the triangle, involves direct north-south connection to the Eastern Fwy, and upgrading the existing Eastern Fwy:
• Approx. 10km long on west side of triangle of which a quarter of that is a ‘new route’ (brown route)
• Approx. 10km long on south side from Bulleen to start of eastlink (green route)
• Terrain mostly flat, slightly hilly
• Upgrade existing Greensborough bypass (pink route)
• Greensborough Road there is room on the east side to widen / build new carriageways (pink route)
• Problem will be south of Lower Plenty Road to Manningham Rd, cutting across the Banyule Flats and parklands that make the ‘lungs’ of Melbourne (yellow box)
• South of Manningham Rd, upgrade / widen Bulleen Rd to the Eastern Fwy, through sports fields of well to do schools (pink route)
• New interchange with Eastern Fwy that includes Thompsons Road
• By considering Eastern Fwy upgrade and new Greensborough-Bulleen as two projects, these two can also assist taking inbound-outbound traffics to/from city with their respective urban catchments
• Preferred by Nillumbik Shire Council because it runs through Banyule municipality

B Route is the hypotenuse of the triangle and would link Greensborough and Ringwood more directly:
• As the crow flies it is about 15km, but realistically such a connection will be much longer than that (blue line is indicative only)
• Terrain is mostly hilly on both sides of the river, but not mountainous
• No obvious route to follow
• No pre-planned route with reservation, even going back to 1969 road plan which was envisaging the grid style network
• Building a new crossing at the Yarra River near Eltham will be as controversial as it as Banyule, if not more (yellow rectangle)
• Very likely extensive tunnelling which adds cost
• Will take only radial traffic, cannot assist with city bound traffic
• The advantages of the hypotenuse route are eroded with the terrain and practicalities of building the longer route; it is not really much of advantage at all if you come from Dandenong, Frankston way and you are going to the Hume Hwy
• Preferred by Banyule City Council because it runs through Nillumbik Shire

I grew up in suburbs that are covered by both options. Rosanna / Bulleen is closer to the city and runs through typical middle suburbia. Eltham, on the other hand, can often be referred to as the sticks, plenty of bushland that locals do not want touched, an old artist colony, and wildlife and birdlife to look out for. The north east is often referred to as the ‘green wedge’ but this tag sticks more to Eltham and Warrandyte than to Rosanna/Bulleen. How a new road crosses the Yarra is a problem for both routes, and likely to rally local community opposition, but for route B is a small part of a much bigger engineering problem. If built, both options would likely involve a toll road – for A route perhaps only the Yarra crossing need tolling since most of the route involves upgrading existing roads. For B route building an expensive complex road solution may make the toll feel prohibitive; once the road opens and the opportunity there to use it.
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I really want the Ring Road to be completed but unfortunately I can't see any of those two options happening as it involves lots of houses and buildings to be demolished to make way for the freeway and judging by the result of the East-West Link that won't turn out well.
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