Green Line Extension-The Intercity Connection

[rxsoccer]

Originally Posted by 21230

I frequent this forum as it is a great source of information regarding my city and often intruiging debates occur. When I first saw your postings, I was shocked and appalled at their sociopathic nature and was often inclined to ignore pages of threads out of disgust.

After several months of persistent offensive, shortsided and outright belligerent postings, I have grown to love your presence. In fact, I have found myself actively reading threads when I see you have made a recent posting. Reason being, you never disappoint.

So, I just want to say thank you, harlem87. It's people like you who have made reality TV popular and will put food on the table for family psychologists for decades to come.

21230, your reality show reference just made me realize who this harlem person really is! Its PUCK from the real world SF! Glad to see that A-hole found another forum to spew his nonsense in! "Maryland hates business! blah blah blah! Virginia love business! blah blah blah! Baltimore will never be as good as places like Charlotte! blah blah blah!" WE GET IT!
I can go through your 3 million posts and find nothing more substantial than that and insults repeated everytime.
Puck, the guy you love to hate! For the reality show whores out there, enjoy! we're in the company of reality show royalty here!

[Evangelion]

Seriously though.. whats withthe rivalry bw md and va.... either way in the end if one side does well wouldnt the other also benefit from jobs and economics as well? the region is a powerhouse due to the combination of "types" of areas the dc metro offers...

[Maudibjr]

Originally Posted by harlem87

This is just your way of saying that it is wrong to encourage Business/Economic/Revenue Growth in Maryland but it is no problem to encourage Business/Economic/Revenue Growth for Virginia.

BTW- Alot of the Development in Arlington/Alexandria had most of the old ugly buildings demolished which you don't support in Baltimore(or other parts of Maryland) but yet you neer stated that you had a problem with Virginia tearing down old buildings to make way for new development.

That is an amazing logical leap there. You seem to read sentances very literally with no regard for refrence or inference, I would guess that English is not your first language, but maybe an eastern european one or Russian?

Also don't kid yourself Arlington/Alexandria have more than enough NIMBY's to go around.

[Maudibjr]

Originally Posted by Evangelion

Seriously though.. whats withthe rivalry bw md and va.... either way in the end if one side does well wouldnt the other also benefit from jobs and economics as well? the region is a powerhouse due to the combination of "types" of areas the dc metro offers...

I agree with you. Many, many Marylanders work in in Va. and vice-versa. Each state has done quite well economicly,.

Although Virginia is quickly becoming NoVA and the rest of the state, much like MD is central MD and the rest of the state.

[harlem87]

Originally Posted by Maudibjr

That is an amazing logical leap there. You seem to read sentances very literally with no regard for refrence or inference, I would guess that English is not your first language, but maybe an eastern european one or Russian?

Also don't kid yourself Arlington/Alexandria have more than enough NIMBY's to go around.

Oh yeah, then why the Hell are they building a 40-60 Floor Tower in Rosslyn, the proposal to build more Office Towers in the Clerandon section of Arlington, and not too long ago they build a load of Office/Condo Towers in Downtown Alexandria between the King Street Metro and The Beltway.

[Silicon Francisco]

Originally Posted by 21230

my favorite forumer

I frequent this forum as it is a great source of information regarding my city and often intruiging debates occur. When I first saw your postings, I was shocked and appalled at their sociopathic nature and was often inclined to ignore pages of threads out of disgust.

After several months of persistent offensive, shortsided and outright belligerent postings, I have grown to love your presence. In fact, I have found myself actively reading threads when I see you have made a recent posting. Reason being, you never disappoint.

So, I just want to say thank you, harlem87. It's people like you who have made reality TV popular and will put food on the table for family psychologists for decades to come.

Originally Posted by rxsoccer

21230, your reality show reference just made me realize who this harlem person really is! Its PUCK from the real world SF! Glad to see that A-hole found another forum to spew his nonsense in! "Maryland hates business! blah blah blah! Virginia love business! blah blah blah! Baltimore will never be as good as places like Charlotte! blah blah blah!" WE GET IT!
I can go through your 3 million posts and find nothing more substantial than that and insults repeated everytime.
Puck, the guy you love to hate! For the reality show whores out there, enjoy! we're in the company of reality show royalty here!

Ouch, (owned)2

Originally Posted by harlem87

Oh yeah, then why the Hell are they building a 40-60 Floor Tower in Rosslyn, the proposal to build more Office Towers in the Clerandon section of Arlington, and not too long ago they build a load of Office/Condo Towers in Downtown Alexandria between the King Street Metro and The Beltway.

Clarendon is empty compared to Ballston and Rosslyn, but it has a Metro stop, might as well get dense there. The tower that I think you're talking about was supposed to be two towers.

[Maudibjr]

Originally Posted by harlem87

Oh yeah, then why the Hell are they building a 40-60 Floor Tower in Rosslyn, the proposal to build more Office Towers in the Clerandon section of Arlington, and not too long ago they build a load of Office/Condo Towers in Downtown Alexandria between the King Street Metro and The Beltway.

Because that is where they have designated for growth. Why do you think they created designated growth areas? Just because there is growth does not mean that there are no NIMBY's.

Otherwise I-66 would of been expanded by now.

[harlem87]

Originally Posted by Maudibjr

Because that is where they have designated for growth. Why do you think they created designated growth areas? Just because there is growth does not mean that there are no NIMBY's.

Otherwise I-66 would of been expanded by now.

It's in the process.

[Maudibjr]

Originally Posted by harlem87

It's in the process.

It has been in the process since before it was built. I doubt it will be expanded, if it ever is, within the next 20 years. All of which goes to show NIMBY's exist everywhere even in Va.

[NovaWolverine]

What is wrong w/ commuter rail? I can't for the life of me understand why people in the DC area think commuter rail sucks. I urge people to go to NYC, Chicago or somewhere in Europe or Asia and see for themselves how similar it can be to subway and how much better commuter rail can be. One reason why commuter rail wasn't used for Tysons, is b/c there's no crossing over the Potomac on the side where Tysons is. They would need to build new tracks and a new tunnel, and also to echo what someone else already said, it has the development there NOW, and it needs it NOW, just as other places have gotten metro after they'd been developed. If there were tracks in Dulles, they would have gone commuter rail for sure. Tysons is an inner job center just as Arlington, Rockville and Bethesda are and that's why metro is going there, the urban thing is a help, but if there was nothing there, this project wouldn't be so highly publicized, it's b/c Tysons has grown so much that heavy rail is seen as a necessity. Brand-new commuter rail stations and trains would go a long way anywhere in the region and the difference between modes would be negligible to everyone but homers on urban issue message boards.

I don't want to start this thing again, but I hope that people generally see the upside to using commuter rail which can also spur development in TODs as it has all around the world. We will need multiple modes in our transportation system. HRT, LRT, BRT, commuter rail and the works. Just in general, we ought to open up a bit and put biases aside, I hope people see that it's not a md v. va thing, as DonQui, getontrac, along with a number of people at beyonddc can see the logic behind developing a robust, comprehensive and world class commuter rail system.

You can endorse heavy rail, there is nothing at all wrong with that, but we need to look past stigmas and making a responsible decision. I don't like heavy rail going such long distances b/c it wasn't designed for that and there are options that simply do the job better.

[cgunna]

I completely agree. I think commuter rail should be expanded to 'functional' levels.

[Archiconnoisseur]

Originally Posted by getontrac

^Agree, Orange Line must be studied as an alternative.

But, I'll briefly reitterate that it is far more logical to expand MARC capacity and frequency at this time and spent money on a (heavy) DC Purple Line and a (heavy) Baltimore Metro project.

Nate

I'm with you, Nate. I believe that MARC, especially the Penn Line, should remain the primary intercity link between Baltimore and Washington. I'm also against any increase in sprawl between DC and Baltimore. I'd prefer to see increased densification of DC and NoVa instead.

In the long term, driverless cars will make the Metro (and cabs) obsolete, so I'm a bit worried about sinking too much money into new tunnels and tracks.

[getontrac]

Even if PRT (personal rapid transit) or the like become scalable. We'll still need Metros for high capacity services. If we still have big downtowns, we'll still need Metro.

Nate

[ajoutz]

Originally Posted by Archiconnoisseur

I'm with you, Nate. I believe that MARC, especially the Penn Line, should remain the primary intercity link between Baltimore and Washington. I'm also against any increase in sprawl between DC and Baltimore. I'd prefer to see increased densification of DC and NoVa instead.

In the long term, driverless cars will make the Metro (and cabs) obsolete, so I'm a bit worried about sinking too much money into new tunnels and tracks.

The whole point of the Green Line Extension is to prevent sprawl between DC and Bmore by encouraging smart growth.

[harlem87]

Originally Posted by NovaWolverine

What is wrong w/ commuter rail? I can't for the life of me understand why people in the DC area think commuter rail sucks. I urge people to go to NYC, Chicago or somewhere in Europe or Asia and see for themselves how similar it can be to subway and how much better commuter rail can be. One reason why commuter rail wasn't used for Tysons, is b/c there's no crossing over the Potomac on the side where Tysons is. They would need to build new tracks and a new tunnel, and also to echo what someone else already said, it has the development there NOW, and it needs it NOW, just as other places have gotten metro after they'd been developed. If there were tracks in Dulles, they would have gone commuter rail for sure. Tysons is an inner job center just as Arlington, Rockville and Bethesda are and that's why metro is going there, the urban thing is a help, but if there was nothing there, this project wouldn't be so highly publicized, it's b/c Tysons has grown so much that heavy rail is seen as a necessity. Brand-new commuter rail stations and trains would go a long way anywhere in the region and the difference between modes would be negligible to everyone but homers on urban issue message boards.

I don't want to start this thing again, but I hope that people generally see the upside to using commuter rail which can also spur development in TODs as it has all around the world. We will need multiple modes in our transportation system. HRT, LRT, BRT, commuter rail and the works. Just in general, we ought to open up a bit and put biases aside, I hope people see that it's not a md v. va thing, as DonQui, getontrac, along with a number of people at beyonddc can see the logic behind developing a robust, comprehensive and world class commuter rail system.

You can endorse heavy rail, there is nothing at all wrong with that, but we need to look past stigmas and making a responsible decision. I don't like heavy rail going such long distances b/c it wasn't designed for that and there are options that simply do the job better.

Then why don't you people suppport building a commuter rail between Falls Church and Loudon County instead of a Subway??????????????????????

[harlem87]

Originally Posted by cgunna

I completely agree. I think commuter rail should be expanded to 'functional' levels.

No its just more Bull Shit talking because he dosen't support extending the VRE to Dulles and Loudon County instead of wasting $Billions to build a Subway.

[harlem87]

Originally Posted by Archiconnoisseur

I'm with you, Nate. I believe that MARC, especially the Penn Line, should remain the primary intercity link between Baltimore and Washington. I'm also against any increase in sprawl between DC and Baltimore. I'd prefer to see increased densification of DC and NoVa instead.

In the long term, driverless cars will make the Metro (and cabs) obsolete, so I'm a bit worried about sinking too much money into new tunnels and tracks.

Yeah another Maryland hating Southern Trolling Hick expressing their true Maryland Hatred by supporting anti-growth schemes to block Maryland from COMPETING against your beloved Virginia's(along with the Carolina's and Georgia's) Business/Economic/Revenue Growth.

Why don't you Maryland Haters come out and admit that you want the government to tear down ALL of the Highways, Office Buildings, Retail Buildings, Middle/Upper Class Homes in Maryland which will force a SEVERE Population Decrease in Maryland and help your southern state of Virginia(along with the Carolina's and Georgia) to reap All of the Maryland population and increase Business/Economic/Revenue Growth in Virginia, the Carolina's, and Georgia.

You Peoples wishful hope of "The Confederate South(Virginia, The Carolina's, and Georgia) Shall Rise Again" will be a failure of accomplishment.

[harlem87]

Originally Posted by getontrac

Even if PRT (personal rapid transit) or the like become scalable. We'll still need Metros for high capacity services. If we still have big downtowns, we'll still need Metro.

Nate

And Metro alone will not mobile everyone rapidly unless there is a Balance of Highways being Built.

Again; Atlanta, Miami, Houston, Philly, and Boston have both transit and Highways which are better off than Baltimore especially since Baltimore lacks an East-West/North-South Highway System like the other more successful cities that have Highways and Transit.

[harlem87]

Originally Posted by ajoutz

The whole point of the Green Line Extension is to prevent sprawl between DC and Bmore by encouraging smart growth.

I hope your joking.

[BalWash]

Originally Posted by Archiconnoisseur

I'm also against any increase in sprawl between DC and Baltimore. I'd prefer to see increased densification of DC and NoVa instead.

I too think that is truly anti-growth, anti-Maryland bullshit.