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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:11 PM   #101
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To me thats one of the biggest benefits of blackpool, it is a destination, ather than just in a large urban area. People would actually have to travel to the casino, rather than have one on their doorsteps.
You could say London is just a large urban area. That argument doesn't stand up. Sadly, Blackpool is a dump and has been for very many years. I cannot believe they waited decades before attempting to sort the problem out. It the council leaders had been management in a company, the company would no longer exist.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:12 PM   #102
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Blackpool should try to get some seafront hi rise hotels.
Brunswick Quay would be a great hotel. And you are right, to attract a better demographic Blackpool doesn't need more attractions, it needs decent accomodation.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:14 PM   #103
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Funny how no one rated it apart from an unelected committee. Manchester council itself didn't think it would win.

Casinos attract even more riff raff, so maybe Blackpool is a good place, unless you want to attract low lifes to Manchester
Depends who you call "riff raff".

Casino's are built to make money for the owners.

Low life, dole ites from Blackpool do not build you big profits.

Rich people gamble in casinos. Have you not seen the new Bond movie or noticed the nightlife of Montecarlo. Wayne Rooney?

This casino is for higher income people and people with a bit of spare cash.

Riff-raff is defo not on their agenda.

Save the sob stories. Very few poor people are poor due to a gambling problem, more likely a lack of education or "opportunities" is their cause of poverty.

Surprised Alderley Edge didn't apply for a licence
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:15 PM   #104
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Quite simply this should have gone to Blackpool. It's another government backhander for Labour controlled Manchester. I like Manchester, but hasn't Manchester had enough freebies? What, with the Commonwealth Games, Supertram and endless government handouts?

Blackpool is the UK's number 1 tourist destination, whatever people in Manchester say, people will not be making regular trips to Manchester just to use a casino. The same could be said for Leeds if it were coming here.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:16 PM   #105
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You could say London is just a large urban area. That argument doesn't stand up. Sadly, Blackpool is a dump and has been for very many years. I cannot believe they waited decades before attempting to sort the problem out. It the council leaders had been management in a company, the company would no longer exist.
Lets not forget, Blackpool is a seaside resorts and thats it, basically. All British seaside resorts have suffered from the decline in Northern communities, Skegness, Scarborough...Manchester would always be in a better position as it is the regions largest city and can therefore attract a significantly higher amount of private sector investment.

One could also argue that Manchester sat around for ages and if it wasn't for an IRA bomb regeneration would have taken much longer.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:17 PM   #106
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If it had gone to Leeds I seriously doubt that anyone in Manchester would be that upset cos we didn't think it was coming to Manchester in the first place. Now its here lets hope its built well, and works properly.

Whats all that about handouts? Have you ever heard of commercial nous?
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:18 PM   #107
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Depends who you call "riff raff".

Casino's are built to make money for the owners.

Low life, dole ites from Blackpool do not build you big profits.

Rich people gamble in casinos. Have you not seen the new Bond movie or noticed the nightlife of Montecarlo. Wayne Rooney?

This casino is for higher income people and people with a bit of spare cash.

Riff-raff is defo not on their agenda.

Save the sob stories. Very few poor people are poor due to a gambling problem, more likely a lack of education or "opportunities" is their cause of poverty.

Surprised Alderley Edge didn't apply for a licence
The people using the casino would be from all over the north of england, as Blackpool is a holiday town. Go to Atlantic City or Las Vegas and tell me that casinos are for wealthy people, with a bit of class.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:20 PM   #108
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One could also argue that Manchester sat around for ages and if it wasn't for an IRA bomb regeneration would have taken much longer.
At the time of the IRA bomb, all northern cities had been in decline since the 60's or maybe even since the war.

Most people who had hoped to see their cities rebuilt after the blitz died long before they ever saw it start to happen.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:23 PM   #109
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Lets not forget, Blackpool is a seaside resorts and thats it, basically. All British seaside resorts have suffered from the decline in Northern communities, Skegness, Scarborough...Manchester would always be in a better position as it is the regions largest city and can therefore attract a significantly higher amount of private sector investment.

One could also argue that Manchester sat around for ages and if it wasn't for an IRA bomb regeneration would have taken much longer.
Manchester has excellent rail links too. London to Manchester in around 2.5 hours. So a lot of business folk will be using it, in between and during deals. Corporate entertaining they say. It's done in London. Some of the world's biggest companies have bases in Manchester. Who the FCUK is in Blackpool? Outside the smaller casinos in Manchester are Bentley's, Ferrari's etc etc, so we do have the right customers. Manchester also has the largest number of Rolls-Royce and Bentley's per household than anywhere else in Britain. Enough said!!
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thats exactly my point, criticising declining seaside resorts for inaction is not really valid. It is only recently that ALL british cities have had the resources and a stable economy to invest in regeneration.
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"commercial nous"
Is that the new term for "it's not what you know, it's who you know?"
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On the back of the Blackpool proposals would have come a redeveloped international airport with a 3000m runway. Manchester already has one, so another development opportunity lost.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:27 PM   #113
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Is that the new term for "it's not what you know, it's who you know?"
...no its both!
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The people using the casino would be from all over the north of england, as Blackpool is a holiday town. Go to Atlantic City or Las Vegas and tell me that casinos are for wealthy people, with a bit of class.
Erm... but they are full of wealthy people.

Yes you get us paupers knocking about, but high-rollers fund the casinos.

Who rents the penthouses on the top floor of the Vegas casinos?

I'm not saying they are classy, but they have there money and they gamble it away. Look at Abromovich, who would do a business deal with him? He starts to quibble about oooh £100m on a contract when he pisses £200m a year up the Chelsea wall.

No, like 'em or lump 'em, casinos are funded by high spending wealthy types.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:29 PM   #115
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Quote from Bernstein:

could be a tad optimistic - but I reckon this will happen pretty fast.

"The planning process will start immediately and I think we could be on site within 12 months and the casino operational within three years."
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Also Manchester is possibly the worst location for any future casino in Blackpool, they will be in direct competition with each other. The whole point of the super casinos is that there will be one per region.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:32 PM   #118
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I am shocked. I was preparing for a storm if the Dome had got it.

To me Blackpool was the location which would have benefitted the most. East Manchester had the Commonwealth Games, London has got the Olympics, Cardiff has had years of redevelopment around the bay.

Blackpool has got nothing and this was the only show in town. I don't think every cmajor city should have a super casino, it should be an effort to get to, seaside resorts to me were the ideal location.

I expect Blackpool to launch a judicial review, they are absolutely gutted on TV.
I totally agree Pricemazda.

I'm a massive massive fan of Manchester, but Blackpool is all geared up for it in just it's status as an iconic town for fun and play. This will have a massive negative effect for Blackpool in the long run as they seemed to have so many plans based around it.
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very strange how yet again the mancs seem to come through smelling of roses... the arrogance just makes me sick!!!
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:36 PM   #120
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Blackpool is the UK's number 1 tourist destination..
Really? You have any stats on this?
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people will not be making regular trips to Manchester just to use a casino. The same could be said for Leeds if it were coming here.
Really? why is this?

I'm sorry but there are a lot of negative comments coming here. The more i look at it the more commen sense there seems to be behind the decision. Blackpool IS a special case and so IS harder for it to be a test site for any future locations. Manchester HAS a better track record at delivering large schemes, Manchester HAS a much larger catchment area with excelent links to the rest of the country and most importantly the BBC are going to need some entertainment up in the north when they come up.
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