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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:37 PM   #121
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very strange how yet again the mancs seem to come through smelling of roses... the arrogance just makes me sick!!!
pathetic comment, you haven't even read the thread if that's your take on it...
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:38 PM   #122
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I don't approve of gambling on this scale - too many evils follow in the wake for my liking. I suspect this will be present big social and crime issues in the future.

Unfortunately NuLab are wedded to big business and seem to think that everything can be solved by throwing money in the direction of a problem.

I don't think that if this goes ahead Blackpool will get one as well as it would dilute the business case so I think Blackpool may need to re-think their strategy for re-development. In time they may conclude that is no bad thing.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:40 PM   #123
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oh ive read the thread, and funny how mancs feel that the world is against them.. the city must have amazing connections...
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:41 PM   #124
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On the back of the Blackpool proposals would have come a redeveloped international airport with a 3000m runway. Manchester already has one, so another development opportunity lost.
We don't need any more airport expansion indeed we ought to be actively reducing the capacity we already have. Unfettered airport expansion and ever more cheap flights is not sutainable.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:41 PM   #125
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I just heard some mp from Blackpool on the radio and she is upset about the decison, partly I think because it was expected that Blackpool would get it. However she did say that the casino would enhance Blackpool as a family destination and I am struggling with that. I mean, you have to be an adult to gamble do you not. And the casinos that I've been in have a 21 and over policy. So putting this in Blackpool isn't actually helping its demographic at all... what does she mean?
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:42 PM   #126
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oh ive read the thread, and funny how mancs feel that the world is against them.. the city must have amazing connections...
I dont think they do. Everyone I've spoken to never expected to get this so how do you work that one out...
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:42 PM   #127
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very strange how yet again the mancs seem to come through smelling of roses... the arrogance just makes me sick!!!
manchester is generally shocked to win this, but as the report says it was ultimatley the best option, there has been a bit of blackpool slating.

If Manchester pulls this off then other areas will get one. Blackpool has too much resting on it to risk this kind of development. It had to be tried somwhere a bit more stable. manchester is going to audit the effects of the operation on the economy also, ie look at its social aspects also. If this process is given sufficient time, lessons learnt from mistakes made in manchester could benefit blackpool even more. Blackpool simply couldn't afford this experiment to be a mistake, manchester could just about swallow it
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:43 PM   #128
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I don't approve of gambling on this scale - too many evils follow in the wake for my liking. I suspect this will be present big social and crime issues in the future.

Unfortunately NuLab are wedded to big business and seem to think that everything can be solved by throwing money in the direction of a problem.

I don't think that if this goes ahead Blackpool will get one as well as it would dilute the business case so I think Blackpool may need to re-think their strategy for re-development. In time they may conclude that is no bad thing.
Where does this crime anaology come from?

Oh yes, Vegas...land owned by the mob who built and ran the casinos....erm back in the 1950's!!

FFS!

Re-social issues:

Let's worry about booze & drugs before a new casino in Manchester?

Why not give it all up, move to scottish island and live off sea-weed.

Bring on the modern world.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:43 PM   #129
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dont get me wrong, blackpool was always going to be up against it, but funny how manchester gets bbc and super casino in such a short space of time...
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:44 PM   #130
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oh ive read the thread, and funny how mancs feel that the world is against them.. the city must have amazing connections...
Are you supprised when people like you ave a go for no reason. Why not be polite about your disagrements?
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:44 PM   #131
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Whats all that about handouts? Have you ever heard of commercial nous?
This is not how the government should hand out projects like this... when I was at school the kid that put his hand up in the air and shouted "me, me, me, pick me miss" was usually the least likely to be chosen, I know that the lottery funds have deprived many of the poorest and needy city suburbs in the UK with cash hand outs because they claim that the projects were not put together professionally enough, doesn't make them any less important as any other charity case though, and with Britain's wealth v poor gap widening I do fear that trouble is being stored up for future generations. Anyway, happy for Manc but sad for Blackpool and I would contest it too, even the BBC were surprised.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:45 PM   #132
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I found an interesting comment on the bbc 606.

"Americans should be banned from building a casino on the grounds that their government wont allow uk firms to run online gambling.
Whilst taking brits to court over the issue they continue to let thier own companies run casinos in the usa and online horse race betting.
Just a bunch of hypocrits supported by our weak politicians"
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:57 PM   #133
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I would have given the super casino to Blackpool for economic regeneration reasons and it is clearly a more depraved area than East Manchester.
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We don't need any more airport expansion indeed we ought to be actively reducing the capacity we already have. Unfettered airport expansion and ever more cheap flights is not sutainable.
Aviation only accounts for 3% of world carbon emissions
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Old January 30th, 2007, 03:59 PM   #135
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I suppose a lot of the negative comments from outside the area (and some locals as well) stem from a lack of knowledge.

We, as locals know how good Manchester is and where it is heading. To, out of towners, we have work to do in showing them what we can do:

Commenwealth Games
Manchester United
Manchester Airport
Bank of New York relocation
BBC move
Casino


We are a progressive city with a very aware council and strong backing from local business. We bid for the Olympics. A laugh? Maybe but it shows pride and confidence. We were never going to get them but it demonstrated a mindset of why not? You have to keep pushing and pushing to gain the results.

Where do Manchester go from here? What next on the agenda?

Let's hope they apply for everything they can possibly do to help make this city grow?

Why do we have to settle for projected decline in population, let's see a blue-print for a city of 3-4million people in 50 years time. Let's get the jobs and create the wealth and see where it takes us.

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Old January 30th, 2007, 04:00 PM   #136
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I would have given the super casino to Blackpool for economic regeneration reasons and it is clearly a more depraved area than East Manchester.
In a recent study, parts of East Manchester were found to be the most deprived places outside East London. Again, the Blackpool argument doesn't hold water to the extent they would have us believe. When British tastes changed decades ago, Blackpool never bothered to keep up, they stood still. Change or die. Blackpool died and now they are complaining......don't blame us!!
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Old January 30th, 2007, 04:06 PM   #137
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Aviation only accounts for 3% of world carbon emissions
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But it is emited at high altitude where it causes much greater harm.

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Though planes contribute to air pollution while on the ground, scientists studying global warming are most concerned about pollutants emitted when a plane is airborne. Jets are the major source of emissions deposited into the upper atmosphere, where some pollutants have a greater warming effect than when they are released in the same amount from the ground, according to a 1999 scientific report sponsored by the United Nations.

Some pollutants emitted from engines during flight warm the Earth by adding to the heat-trapping gases, both natural and man-made, already in the atmosphere. Also, jet contrails — the vapor trails they leave in the sky — add to cloud cover and may contribute to the warming of the planet. A contrail forms when water vapor from the engine cools and mixes with air and the humidity becomes high enough for condensation.
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In a recent study, parts of East Manchester were found to be the most deprived places outside East London. Again, the Blackpool argument doesn't hold water to the extent they would have us believe. When British tastes changed decades ago, Blackpool never bothered to keep up, they stood still. Change or die. Blackpool died and now they are complaining......don't blame us!!
I think you misread my argument
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It should have gone to Blackpool but well done anyway.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 04:09 PM   #140
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I think you misread my argument
I don't think i did? Would you like to add something i should know or missed?
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