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Old December 26th, 2007, 02:51 PM   #201
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[QUOTE=Zibou;17269709]

* Poitiers-Niort-La Rochelle : 110-140

* In eastern France, lines are often limited to 120 (except a few stretches allowing 140-160)

All of those informations come from the map published by RFF.
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I have been looking at this map and I would suggets that in eastern france you need to add:

* Strasbourg - Mulhouse : 161- 220

There is an inconsistency between the RFF press announcements and this map. I believe that it is caused by the age of the map which appears to completed in 2001. (note the effectivity of the map is through 1 december 2008).

Since 2001 the route between Potiers and Niort has been upgraded for 160-220 operations acording to the RFF press releases.
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Old December 26th, 2007, 03:12 PM   #202
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Thanks for the info, I was unaware of these upgrades.
By the way, work on the new HSR between Paris (Tours) and Bordeaux is due to start in 2009 on the Tours-Angoulême section, and 2012 for the Angoulême-Bordeaux one. The line will be fully completed in 2016 and will allow a travel speed of 300-320 kph. The connection to Spain will probably not see the light of day before 2020 at best.
See : http://www.lgvsudeuropeatlantique.org/
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Old December 28th, 2007, 08:21 PM   #203
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in 2009 on the Tours-Angoulême section, and 2012 for the Angoulême-Bordeaux one
Actually, its 2009 for Angoulême-Bordeaux and 2012 for Tours-Angoulême. Don't ask me why...
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Old December 28th, 2007, 08:51 PM   #204
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great map!
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Old December 29th, 2007, 12:23 PM   #205
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I have been looking at this map and I would suggets that in eastern france you need to add:

* Strasbourg - Mulhouse : 161- 220
It's on there, I really need to sort out the colours, you keep pointing out things that are already on there.
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Old December 29th, 2007, 03:15 PM   #206
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For elfabyanos: there's a great map about spanish classic lines, HSL on service, on works, and planned, and upgrading projects made by two spanish forumers. Here you have it:

There are also a 4 MB and 10 MB map view to see it in full detail. I think this would be very useful for you. I hope you like it.
4 MB picture.
10 MB picture.
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Old December 29th, 2007, 06:14 PM   #207
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That's excellent - thanks guys.
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Old December 29th, 2007, 09:00 PM   #208
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Update: Today

Spain

New build lines:
Madrid - Ciudad Real: 300
Ciudad Real - Córdoba: 270
Cordoba - Sevilla 250
La Sagra - Toledo: 270
Madrid - Camp de Tarragona: 350
Córdoba - Málaga : 350
Madrid - Valladolid: 350


New build lines U/C:
Ourense - Santiago: 350
La Robla - Pola de Lena (Variante de Pajares): 350
Camp de Tarragona - Barcelona - France border: 350
Euskal Y: 270
Olmedo - Zamora: 350
Mérida - Badajoz: 300
Antequera - Granada: 300
Xátiva - Valencia: 300
Vandellos - Camp de Tarragona: 300
La Encina - Alicante: 300
Madrid - Montilla - Albacete: 350
Montilla - Valencia: 350

Upgraded lines:
- Alcazar de San Juan - Albacete - La Encina: 200 (in the future 250 with ERTMS)
- La Encina - Xativa: 220 (in the future 250 with ERTMS)
- Badajoz - Aljuacen: 200
- Zaragoza - Tardienta: 200 (in the future 250 with ERTMS)
- Valencia - Vandellos: 220 (in the future 250 with ERTMS)


Upgraded lines U/C:
- La Coruña - Vigo: 250
- Sevilla - Cadiz: 250
- Marchena - Antequera: 250
- Alcazar de San Juan - Santa Cruz de Mudela: 250
- Valdollano - Jaén: 250
- Zaragoza - Teruel: 250
- Murcia - Lorca: 250
It's amazing how fast railway construction (especially HSR) is going in Spain. France will get a decent one - meaning it will not only the Lille-Paris-Marseilles corridor - around 2020-2025 if fundings are secured (it took 40 years for the country to get a proper expressway network...)

A few maps for France (from RFF website, PDF files, some of them may take a while to load with a slow connection)
* http://www.rff.fr/biblio_pdf/fr_docref_anx_6_4.pdf Maximum speeds on the railway lines
* http://www.rff.fr/biblio_pdf/fr_docref_anx_6_5.pdf Electrified lines
* http://www.rff.fr/biblio_pdf/fr_docref_anx_6_14.pdf Current HSR network
* http://www.rff.fr/biblio_pdf/pages_f...tes_carte1.pdf Current railway network

And another interesting map, still from RFF, indicating in dotted lines the planned itinerary of the
* LGV Est Second Phase, LGV to Rennes,
* LGV Rhin Rhone,
* LGV to Chambéry (this one is still on the drawing board, and is part of the Lyon-Turin rail link),
* Montpellier-Nimes bypass (expected to be opened in 2013, huge funding issues since several years, this section was originally planned to be built directly with the LGV Méditerranée in 1995-2001) and
* Bourg en Bresse - West of Nantua (upgrade of an existing railway, it will stay single-track for most of its length but will provide faster connection to Geneva by shortening the travel time of TGV from Paris)
http://www.rff.fr/biblio_pdf/rf_inv_r_carte.pdf

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Old December 30th, 2007, 06:56 AM   #209
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zoltan View Post
Update: Today

Spain

New build lines:
Madrid - Ciudad Real: 300
Ciudad Real - Córdoba: 270
Cordoba - Sevilla 250
La Sagra - Toledo: 270
Madrid - Camp de Tarragona: 350
Córdoba - Málaga : 350
Madrid - Valladolid: 350


New build lines U/C:
Ourense - Santiago: 350
La Robla - Pola de Lena (Variante de Pajares): 350
Camp de Tarragona - Barcelona - France border: 350
Euskal Y: 270
Olmedo - Zamora: 350
Mérida - Badajoz: 300
Antequera - Granada: 300
Xátiva - Valencia: 300
Vandellos - Camp de Tarragona: 300
La Encina - Alicante: 300
Madrid - Montilla - Albacete: 350
Montilla - Valencia: 350

Upgraded lines:
- Alcazar de San Juan - Albacete - La Encina: 200 (in the future 250 with ERTMS)
- La Encina - Xativa: 220 (in the future 250 with ERTMS)
- Badajoz - Aljuacen: 200
- Zaragoza - Tardienta: 200 (in the future 250 with ERTMS)
- Valencia - Vandellos: 220 (in the future 250 with ERTMS)


Upgraded lines U/C:
- La Coruña - Vigo: 250
- Sevilla - Cadiz: 250
- Marchena - Antequera: 250
- Alcazar de San Juan - Santa Cruz de Mudela: 250
- Valdollano - Jaén: 250
- Zaragoza - Teruel: 250
- Murcia - Lorca: 250
this is amazing... spain is making extreme infrastructural progress.... congrats!
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Old December 30th, 2007, 05:03 PM   #210
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Yes, Spain is really amazing in this discipline!

@ Elfabyanos
It might be a small issue, but to make the map consistent, shouldn't the high speed parts on the Swedish network be connected by black lines? And in this case, there should also be a black line to Copenhagen since the X2000 crosses over the bridge between Sweden and Denmark.

There will probably be a lot of black lines in the map soon. I'd love to see two versions of the map - one with and one without the black lines. But it can wait till the map is finished.
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Old December 30th, 2007, 07:11 PM   #211
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Sweden is going to get a complete overhaul (eventually). Do you have any further info about Denmark (of which I currently have none!!!)?
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Old December 30th, 2007, 08:13 PM   #212
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Ok, fine! And once again thank you for doing af great job elfabyanos and everyone else in here who has contributed to the map.

According to the map below (sorry in Danish only), the maximum speed in Denmark is 180 km/h. So no reason wasting your time doing too much research on Denmark



There are some plans of building a new high speed connection to Rødby where the coming bridge to Germany will originate. But there's no final decision yet. And I don't know whether that connection might be 200 km/h or perhaps even more.

Happy new year everyone!!
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Old December 30th, 2007, 08:49 PM   #213
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Great job elfabyanos

One small correction:The Lötschberg Tunnel in Switzerland is in full service since the start of December.
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Old December 31st, 2007, 12:53 AM   #214
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About the map;

In the Netherlands you can see a blue dotted line, that's true. The other 2 lines to the south and southeast do carry high speed rail services, but are limited to 140km/h.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 11:59 PM   #215
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I can't remember if its already been mentioned but there's also the airport train in Oslo which runs at a speed of up to 210 km/h: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flytoget

Elfabyanos, are you still hungover from New Year? Get back to work! We need you back.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 10:02 PM   #216
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BTW the Lötschbergtunnel is open since 9th of December.
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Old January 11th, 2008, 10:11 AM   #217
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^ I believe I've added that but haven't put it up.

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I can't remember if its already been mentioned but there's also the airport train in Oslo which runs at a speed of up to 210 km/h: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flytoget

Elfabyanos, are you still hungover from New Year? Get back to work! We need you back.

Hehe, I'm glad there's still an interest! I've been well busy, before Christmas I was ill a lot which gave me time to do it. I've done a small update I'll try and upload later. To be honest I'm just scared of tackling Sweden! I've got too much stuff to go through!
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Old January 12th, 2008, 09:53 PM   #218
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I hope u like it



Red lines are new high speed lines able for speeds +250 km/h in year 2010
Green lineas will be the same but in year 2020

Light blue lines are new built or uprgraded lines able for speeds between 180 and 250 km/h in 2010
Dark blue lines will be yhe same in 2020

Blue (light and dark) lines will be generally upgraded lines but there are exceptions. Iberian lines will be changed to UIC gauge

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Old January 13th, 2008, 02:38 AM   #219
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Good map, thanks for your work The arrive of high speed line to Santander is still under discussion (from Valladolid or from Bilbao)
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Do you have any info about the lines from Bern go Geneva or Zurich to Munich?
I've never heard of them before.
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