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Old July 17th, 2008, 10:58 PM   #521
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Again ... it's been discussed already ... 100% new route buid on the same "general" alignement of the old route = it's considered "upgraded" track ... the extreme case of upgraded track but nonetheless upgraded track.


by the way ... this is another point worth mentioning ... some of the 300/350 km/h routes in spain were built over the old abandoned routes (like Segovia-Olmedo) ...
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Old July 17th, 2008, 11:50 PM   #522
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Again ... it's been discussed already ... 100% new route buid on the same "general" alignement of the old route = it's considered "upgraded" track ... the extreme case of upgraded track but nonetheless upgraded track.
Upgraded=Old line adapted to higher speeds, this applies to for example Seville-Cadiz or Lisbon-Porto. But in the case of Vigo-La Coruña the old line is so curvy it is impossible to adapt it for higher speeds so they have to build an entirely new railway line, wich they are doing right now. You can't upgrade something you're building from scratch.

And the new alignment is totaly diffrent from the old line, if they had chosen to build to the "general" alignment as you describe it, traveltime between the two cities would be 2 hours instead of under one when the line is finished.

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Old August 23rd, 2008, 05:59 PM   #523
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A little update. Anybody got any news?
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Old August 23rd, 2008, 11:10 PM   #524
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I guess the grey line between Malmö and - at least Örestad st. in Copenhagen should be marked as "newly built lines 200km/h+", right? A tiny stretch, but nonetheless.
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Old August 24th, 2008, 11:18 AM   #525
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elfabyanos, you have done an absolutely, fantastic job in progressing this map and whilst being receptive to all of the various contributions, debates and disagreements. I am sure that it has taken you many more hours than you anticipated.

I really apreciate it as I have been looking for a consolidated HSR map for a while and this serves that purpose.

So a huge thanks.

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Old August 24th, 2008, 11:43 AM   #526
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I guess the grey line between Malmö and - at least Örestad st. in Copenhagen should be marked as "newly built lines 200km/h+", right? A tiny stretch, but nonetheless.
Of course. I have to be a pain and ask for a link in case I can't find one myself. Also, are trains actually going at this speed yet or is this another one for the long list of 'to be added'?
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Old August 24th, 2008, 11:45 AM   #527
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elfabyanos, you have done an absolutely, fantastic job in progressing this map and receptive to all of the various contributions, debates and disagreements. I am sure that it has taken you many more hours than you anticipated.

I really apreciate it as I have been looking for a consolidated HSR map for a while and this serves that purpose.

So a huge thanks.
Thanks, it has been complex. I believe we have a map we can trust quite well, as well as a whole thread of supporting links which at some point I would like to document separately. I'm glad it is of benefit to you, and I hope we can keep it going.
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Old August 24th, 2008, 12:25 PM   #528
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A little update. Anybody got any news?
Why is the proposed line Stuttgart-Ulm missing?

The refering page of DB says it will be designed for 250km/h:
http://www.stuttgart21.de/site/stutt...gart__ulm.html
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Old August 24th, 2008, 12:55 PM   #529
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Of course. I have to be a pain and ask for a link in case I can't find one myself. Also, are trains actually going at this speed yet or is this another one for the long list of 'to be added'?
I have no idea where to find such a document (I searched on the Öresund Bridge's website-- www.oeresundsbron.se), but the whole stretch I am referring to was finished in the year 2000. Basically it's the bridge itself and the connecting railways on either side of the bridge (you have included those on the Swedish side but not on the Danish side in your current map btw). The commuter trains have a maximum speed of 180km/h, but the Swedish X2000 trains reach 200km/h while on the bridge and in the tunnel section. However, the distance between the stations on the Danish side is very small (CPH Airport -> Tårnby -> Örestad) that no train could reach any high speeds. Although the tracks should be fitted to allow for speeds over 200km/h.
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Cool thanks.
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Swede might be of help in this instance - he should be the most well informed Swedish forumer regarding the railway situation in the country.
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Old August 24th, 2008, 02:50 PM   #532
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Why is the proposed line Stuttgart-Ulm missing?

The refering page of DB says it will be designed for 250km/h:
http://www.stuttgart21.de/site/stutt...gart__ulm.html
I think It is still in planning phase not under construction.
Anyway I hope thath a lot of construcions in Germany will start soon (Stuttgart - Ulm, Manheim - Frankfurt, new lines around Fulda).
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Old August 24th, 2008, 07:46 PM   #533
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Map on wiki:



Explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_Europe
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Old August 25th, 2008, 12:41 AM   #534
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from antwerp to amsterdam it would take still quite a while before they will join the 300 kilometer club, (if this will ever happen), i think it will stay 250, but even that isnt running yet..
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I think some of that Wikipedia map is copied from mine and its only appeared since we started this thread, and I've since corrected some bits that are on it
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Old August 25th, 2008, 01:52 AM   #536
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Does that map sound familiar ???
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Old August 25th, 2008, 08:03 PM   #537
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I think some of that Wikipedia map is copied from mine and its only appeared since we started this thread, and I've since corrected some bits that are on it
See http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Us...:Bernese_media. Created independently, but fixed using your map. Also http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskuss...Europa_-_Karte is long discussion about in (in German).
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What are plans for HSR in Czech Republic and other central European countries?
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Old August 26th, 2008, 04:27 PM   #539
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See http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Us...:Bernese_media. Created independently, but fixed using your map. Also http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskuss...Europa_-_Karte is long discussion about in (in German).
Well I'm glad. It's shows that we've done something useful here!!!
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What are plans for HSR in Czech Republic and other central European countries?
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Green are the most important corridors now,red are the planned HSRs.
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