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Old November 21st, 2007, 01:28 PM   #61
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what would be the lower boundary of the "less than 200km/h"? 160, 180? or just anything. 160 gives you most of the London-Southampton route, plus things like Didcot-Birmingham, Bristol-Derby, the MML, etc

For the UK, 125mph (just over 200km/h) is found on the WCML, ECML and GWML. I don't know which bits aren't 125mph, though I guess none of the WCML, other than possibly the Birmingham loop (so London to Edi/Glas/Manchester), or the ECML south of Newcastle (ignoring Newcastle's 10mph approach), nor the GWML to Bristol Parkway. 300km/h is found on High Speed One between Cheriton (the Channel Tunnel portal) and St Pancras. There's also the stub end near Gravesend, which hooked it back onto the Chatham Main Line, though that's out of use, and one guesses it won't be used (though maybe for freight sometime).
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Old November 21st, 2007, 02:14 PM   #62
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That's freaky - I just came to this forum to try and find a thread I started asking the same thing a while ago: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=437226

I've started mapping high-speed lines as paths on Google Earth, which is quite fun, though only the lines from Paris to London, Cologne and Lyons are complete and accurate so far.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 07:07 PM   #63
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The map should also show dedicated HSR lines. I think the division between dedicated HSR line and shared line is the most important.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 10:09 PM   #64
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Under construction is a usfull idea but given the hundreds of start/stop and start again proposals which I have been tracking, I doubt that the cartographers could make a readable map if we included the "proposed" routes.
Yeah, maybe just u/c you're right.
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Old November 22nd, 2007, 12:05 AM   #65
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So, does anybody else have any home-made efforts they want to share? Mine's pitifully incomplete at the moment but I'll upload it when it looks half decent.
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Old November 22nd, 2007, 10:13 PM   #66
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I haven't made anything yet, but am willing to give the map-making a go, provided we get good data.

The first problem, it seems, is of definition. How do we choose 'high-speed' lines? By speed (200/250/300km/h) or segregation, or both? It seems that either will have exceptions, eg. the Gotthard Base Tunnel which will be 250km/h but have freight trains on.

Which countries will be on the map? I can think of these. I think we should only include completed projects or those actually under construction, not pipe-dreams or vague proposals. Perhaps someone could outline the status of each country's network?

France
Spain
(Portugal?)
Italy
(Switzerland?)
Germany
(Denmark?)
(Sweden?)
(Finland?)
(Norway?)
Netherlands
Belgium
UK
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Old November 22nd, 2007, 10:21 PM   #67
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The fastest in Hungary currently is the Wien-Budapest line,which allows 160 on some segments. Other mainlines are currently upgraded to 160.
Here's a map:
The coloured lines mean what the track is designed to endure,and the numbers are what is allowed(not meant between 2 points,but on that exact location).
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 12:59 AM   #68
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I have always thought it would be great to have a map of the HSR in Europe, as it is really hard to find reliable information.

I will show you a map of the Spanish HSR network in 2020, done by the forumer zoltan if I'm not wrong.


Red lines will be only used for passengers, so the speed allowed will be between 260kph and 350kph.

Most of the blue lines are designed to let a similar speed, but they will be limited to 220-250kph because of the circulation of freight trains through them.

Yellow lines are not sure to be built, but they won't be over 160kph.

Nowadays we have some of the red lines already on service:
*Madrid-Córdoba-Sevilla
*Madrid-Zaragoza-Lleida-Tarragona
*Madrid-Toledo (most of the railway is shared with the HSR to Sevilla)

And others going to be opened soon:
*Madrid-Valladolid (Dec2007)
*Córdoba-Málaga (Dec2007)
*Tarragona-Barcelona (likely Mar2008)
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 02:07 AM   #69
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Netherlands
Testing

Testing

Testing

The Schiphol-Rotterdam-Breda-Antwerp line is finished, yet we're still testing. Apart from this 'completed' line, the ICE Amsterdam-Utrecht-Arnhem-Oberhausen-Frankfurt/München will be upgraded. Amsterdam-Utrecht has already the 2 extra tracks that made the ride a lot quicker, and money for Utrecht-Arnhem/Zevenaar has been commisioned by the minister just last week. Yet, the only true HSR track is the one connecting Cologne and Frankfurt in Germany.

I don't think there'll be any real HSR tracks in NL very soon.
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 02:42 AM   #70
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Germany (ICE Network, only completed sections):


red: 300kph (dedicated tracks)
yellow: 250kph (dedicated tracks)
blue: 200-230kph (mostly shared tracks)
grey: rest of the network (<= 160kph)

and if you want to make a future map:

planned/ u/c projects:
Karlsruhe - Basel, 250kph (near Freiburg 200kph), partly u/c, finished 2012
Stuttgart - Ulm - Augsburg, 200-250kph, partly u/c, finished ?, incl "Stuttgart 21"
Kaiserslautern - Saarbrücken, 200kph (shared tracks), u/c, finished after 2010
Frankfurt - Mannheim, 300kph, planned, finished 2017 (a completely new connection in addition to the existing ones on AFAIK Germany's most congested railway corridor)

other projects:
Hannover - HSL Hamburg/Bremen, 300kph
Frankfurt - HSL Fulda/Würzburg, 300kph
Nürnberg - Erfurt - Leipzig, 300kph, partly u/c
Erfurt - HSL Fulda/Kassel, 160-200kph

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Old November 23rd, 2007, 03:45 PM   #71
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A map with all tracks max speed, in France:
http://www.rff.fr/biblio_pdf/pages_f...tes_carte1.pdf
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 04:31 PM   #72
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Germany (ICE Network, only completed sections):

and if you want to make a future map:
planned/ u/c projects:
Karlsruhe - Basel, 250kph (near Freiburg 200kph), partly u/c, finished 2012
Stuttgart - Ulm - Augsburg, 200-250kph, partly u/c, finished ?, incl "Stuttgart 21"
Kaiserslautern - Saarbrücken, 200kph (shared tracks), u/c, finished after 2010
Frankfurt - Mannheim, 300kph, planned, finished 2017 (a completely new connection in addition to the existing ones on AFAIK Germany's most congested railway corridor)

other projects:
Hannover - HSL Hamburg/Bremen, 300kph
Frankfurt - HSL Fulda/Würzburg, 300kph
Nürnberg - Erfurt - Leipzig, 300kph, partly u/c
Erfurt - HSL Fulda/Kassel, 160-200kph
Why not a (Paris/London - Brussels - Liège) - Köln - Dortmund - Hannover - (Berlin) track ?
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 07:30 PM   #73
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Within the Ruhr area, HSR isn't possible coz of the high population (and rail station) density. And east of Dormund the trains are allready running at 200kph or more(except the section around Bielefeld - but all trains between Hannover and Dortmund stop at Bielefeld).
Also, this corridor isn't as important that a completely new HSL would be needed.
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 08:43 PM   #74
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A map with all tracks max speed, in France:
http://www.rff.fr/biblio_pdf/pages_f...tes_carte1.pdf
How up-to-date is that? It shows LGV Est under construction, but not LGV Perpignan-Figueres...
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Old November 25th, 2007, 01:04 PM   #75
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How up-to-date is that? It shows LGV Est under construction, but not LGV Perpignan-Figueres...
On the upper left corner, it is written "1st january 2007". So I guess the next release will be available in one month...

Moreover, it's not the "max speed map" but the "tracks maps", sorry.

The rigth one...
http://www.rff.fr/biblio_pdf/fr_docref_anx_6_3.pdf

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How up-to-date is that? It shows LGV Est under construction, but not LGV Perpignan-Figueres...
Here is one


And this map that shows
- HSR Paris-Orly-Orleans-Bourges-Clermont Ferrand / Lyon
- TRANSLINE: Lyon/Clermont - Limoges - Bordeaux/Nantes - Rennes
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Old November 25th, 2007, 01:27 PM   #77
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Here is one
That map (from the LGV2030 site) is one of the best, but it's a shame there isn't one of that quality for the whole of Europe.

This one gives a slightly wider view, but no Italian or Spanish lines:

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This map of the Spanish network is pretty reliable. This will be the situation in December 2007, except the track between Tarragona and Barcelona which has been delayed


Green: On service (most of them between 300kph-350kph)
Yellow: Under construction
Red: Projects for 2020.
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How up-to-date is that? It shows LGV Est under construction, but not LGV Perpignan-Figueres...
Perpignan-Figueras is not property of SNCF, but of TP Ferro, a private company.
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I've found some more, mainly from the French side of Wikipedia. They cover the same areas, but are quite accurate. Hopefully between all the different maps someone can put together a 100% accurate one.

Northeast France and border countries, showing accurately complete and u/c, though not rhine/rhone.


The red line is the LGV Est, the dotted red line being uncompleted sections; black lines are classic lines that the TGVs operate on. The caption doesn't say but I assume the dotted black lines are where LGV est TGVs will go on classic lines after opening?

Closer look at yet-to-be-complete end of LGV Est


And the whole of France - not showing u/c lines in France, yet showing Zuid HSL.


SNCF site showing map of Rhine/Rhone and going over the top with showing the possible links


This is quite a decent close up of Rhin-Rhone from http://www.lgvrhinrhone.com though it doesn't mpa the south section

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