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Old December 14th, 2007, 06:56 PM   #141
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Maybe for the legend:
It looks strange 200-249 or 250-299 km/h. Normal would be 200-240 or 250-290. Speed limits with speeds from 160 and above are rounded to 10 km/h. There is no 245 km/h speed limit. There is 240 or 250.
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Old December 14th, 2007, 07:52 PM   #142
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I'd just put 200+, 250+ and 300+...
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Old December 14th, 2007, 07:58 PM   #143
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Portugal's is 235km/h, the Trent Valley line in the UK may soon be cleared for 217km/h operation. Some other parts of the UK may be cleared for 225km/h. A lot of Sweden's is technically 205km/h, though it's not timetabled to be operated regularly.

It does look odd, but it's accurate, the 'plus' idea might work.

Edit - Portugal is 220km/h, sorry.

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Old December 14th, 2007, 08:30 PM   #144
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You forgot to add the Utrecht - Amsterdam 200km/h new track that I mentioned. Great work otherwise, I'm really enjoying this.
I'm wondering if there is anything happening in the Eastern European countries? Maybe you don't want to complicate things like that just yet.
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Old December 14th, 2007, 09:03 PM   #145
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Yeah, sorry, people are gonna have to keep reminding me - there's too much!!! That reminds me, I still haven't done Paris -Cherbourg. I want to add as much as I can - if anyone has any info on eastern Europe? I'm especially interested in Poland.
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Old December 14th, 2007, 09:10 PM   #146
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Could you provide me with a link to confirm that line Sweek?
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Old December 14th, 2007, 09:19 PM   #147
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Heh, how's your Dutch?
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_het_...Utrecht_gereed
http://www.ns.nl/servlet/Satellite?c...ikel&c=Artikel

I found this in English, from when construction began. Construction has finished and the line is in use now.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...40/ai_68704714
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Old December 14th, 2007, 10:01 PM   #148
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About as good as my Swedish!!! Thanks for the links. To me that makes it a brand new build. Until they get the HSL sparkies in it's not a true 300km/h line IMO.
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Old December 15th, 2007, 06:58 AM   #149
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Centralna Magistrala Kolejowa (CMK) 221 km long track from Grodzisk Mazowiecki to Zawierc. Track was build in 1971-1977 as a new dedicated transit train track (for both pax and freigh traffic), with max. speed 200 km/h (and max trainweight 5000 t).

Anyway Poland railways had rolling stock only with max 120 km/h in that time. Track was used mainly for freight (in 1980 73 freight/4 pax trains daily), later more pax train appeared, now more pax trains than freight (charge for the use of railway infrastructure for CMK are two times higher than on old 20 km longer track) From 1984 140 km/h rolling stock is used, from 160 km/h.

Now, still 200 km/h is possible, but still no rolling stock for that. Easy upgrade for 250 km/h is planned.

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Old December 15th, 2007, 12:51 PM   #150
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More comments:
Hanover to Wurzburg is operated at speeds greater than 250 km/h. I have watched the speed displays at 270-280 km/h on this route.

Karlshrue to Basel is complicated as the new fast route crosses the old main line several times. I would describe the two route as braided.

Austria: Wien to Sankt Polten is under construction
Sankt Polten to Linz is not yet complete but about 60% is in operation with LBZ signaling for 200km/h
Linz to Wels was upgraded about 10 years ago but the LBZ signaling is fairly new.
Wels to Salzburg is in the national plan but construction to upgrade the line (other than regular maintenance) has not been announce yet.

Keep up the good work Elf!

One problem to beware of is the staging of upgrading traditional mainlines. It is very common for civil engineering to preceded the instalation of the signaling and the spower supply upgrades by many years. Only when all three have been completed can the line be considered for the fully upgraded.
Unforutnately each country has different reporting systems and it can be very frustrating trying to be consistent.
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Old December 15th, 2007, 01:21 PM   #151
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Thanks jkjkjk - are PKP procuring 200km/h trains for this route? If so I'll add it. I'm adding the Warsaw - Gdynia route u/c upgrade to 200km/h.

Trainman Dave - Hannover - Wurzburg is already listed as 250 - 299km/h.

Thanks for the clarification on Wels - Wien. I've fudged it, in the lack of details at which bits aren't complete I've just made it complete with a few random breaks.

As this map goes forward hopefully with other's help a cosistent method may develop for classifications of prop,app,u/c and complete just as we have for skyscrapers. Although there will always be grey areas.
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Old December 15th, 2007, 01:52 PM   #152
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Changes include:

Slightly different colour scheme - the upgrade lines now go from dark to light as the linespeed increases to match the blue scheme for new builds.
France - added the upgraded route 200km/h Paris - Cherbourg.
UK - Changed status of Doncaster - York to new build due to the new diversion away from Selby.
Poland - Added Warsar - Gdynia.
Austria - Made changes to Wels - Wien line to more accurately reflect current status.
Netherlands - Added Amsterdam - Utrecht new build 200km/h quadrupling of existing trackbed.
Spain - possibly some changes, I can't remember!

I have all the info I need for Finland's 200 - 220 km/h upgraded lines. I am looking to find some accurate information on Norway and Denmark (still haven't got to sorting Sweden out). Any info on eastern european countries greatly appreciated.
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Old December 15th, 2007, 03:07 PM   #153
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^ Madrid-Albacete-Alicante and Albacete-Valencia are being built.
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Old December 15th, 2007, 03:43 PM   #154
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It's looking great! At the moment the colours of the lines seem the wrong way round, but if you're going to add black lines for slower tracks then it should make sense. Keep it up! I would also say that the speed key would make more sense as 200+, 250+, 300+.
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Old December 15th, 2007, 05:11 PM   #155
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Nice work, thanks for sharing it!
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Old December 15th, 2007, 05:32 PM   #156
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The map is getting really nice, elfabyanos!

This speed map is from the Danish rail authority Bane Danmark (pdf):
http://www.bane.dk/db/filarkiv/332/Hastighed.pdf

The Öresund Bridge is 200 km/h on the Swedish side, and to Malmö.

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Old December 15th, 2007, 06:22 PM   #157
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The Euromed service on the Spanish east coast is a 220km/h upgraded route, not the in-service 300km/h route that you are showing.
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Old December 15th, 2007, 07:10 PM   #158
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ToNeo View Post
^ Madrid-Albacete-Alicante and Albacete-Valencia are being built.
Thanks, what is the speed?

@ Euklidisk and 33hz, thanks for the info.
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Old December 16th, 2007, 12:26 AM   #159
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Marvelous thank you!
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Old December 16th, 2007, 01:02 AM   #160
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Great work elfabyanos, but does it really matter if a line is new or upgraded? Why not make it simpler? Just a thought.
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