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Old February 2nd, 2007, 10:08 PM   #1
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2x5+ highways, are there (m)any in your country? (Europe)

In Holland we have A4 only for a reasonable distance. In 2010 the A2 will be finished with 2x5 from Amsterdam to Utrecht.

South of Utrecht the is a small section with 6 lanes next to each other:

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Old February 2nd, 2007, 11:28 PM   #2
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On the A9, there are 2x5 lanes between Haarlem-Zuid and Interchange Raasdorp, but 2 of those lanes are weaving lanes. (very long exit lanes).

That section you mentioned 6 lanes, is actually west of Utrecht, on the A12.
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Old February 3rd, 2007, 03:01 AM   #3
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Glasgow and Belfast in the UK have 5 lane freeways. Also, I believe that some of the M25 in London is 5-6 lanes each direction.
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Old February 3rd, 2007, 03:13 AM   #4
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Let's just consider the trunk lanes. Not weaving lanes, like Chris refered.

Here in Portugal there aren't any... I don't think it's even allowed to build freeways more than 4 lanes wide (that is in the central trunk section... there may be more lanes, but just weaving lanes, etc...).

There aren't any in Spain either, and there I'm sure it's not allowed to build more than 4 lanes in the trunk section.
Although you can have things like this:


But the basic section of this freeway (Madrid's M30) is 3+3+3+3 I think... 4 lanes at max, for each carrigeway. Not 6+6 for example, because that wouldn't be allowed.
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Old February 3rd, 2007, 12:20 PM   #5
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Well, with 2x5 lanes, you need a very high traffic intensity, let say; above 150.000/180.000 vehicles a day. There isn't by example almost none of them having such intensity in Germany, so they don't have 2x5 lanes as far as i know.
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Old February 3rd, 2007, 06:08 PM   #6
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Well, you have those amounts of trafic in city motorway sometimes.
Like the example I cited above, of Madrid's M30.
But as more than 4 lanes aren't allowed, they opted for 3+3+3+3, which is much better and with a has a higher capacity than for example 6+6.
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Old February 3rd, 2007, 06:51 PM   #7
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Let's just consider the trunk lanes. Not weaving lanes, like Chris refered.

Here in Portugal there aren't any... I don't think it's even allowed to build freeways more than 4 lanes wide (that is in the central trunk section... there may be more lanes, but just weaving lanes, etc...).
You are right, in Spanish highways is not allowed more than 4 lanes wide, because never use the right lane



PD mi inglés acaba aquí... la normativa recomienda en caso necesario construir vías de servicio en los laterales si es necesario más de cuatro carriles por sentido
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Old February 3rd, 2007, 08:37 PM   #8
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Well, you have those amounts of trafic in city motorway sometimes.
Like the example I cited above, of Madrid's M30.
But as more than 4 lanes aren't allowed, they opted for 3+3+3+3, which is much better and with a has a higher capacity than for example 6+6.
Well, that's quite an example

Madrid's ringroads are among the busiest in Europe, together with the MKAD, the Moscow beltway which over it's total length 2x5 lanes.
Than next is the bridge over the Meuse near Rotterdam, and the London Orbital road, and some roads around Paris.

German motorways are definatly not extremely busy, comparing to other European countries.
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Old February 4th, 2007, 02:12 AM   #9
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In Holland we have A4 only for a reasonable distance. In 2010 the A2 will be finished with 2x5 from Amsterdam to Utrecht.
That small stretch in the dutch A4 (a bit more than 8 km's) is the only motorway in Europe I know with more than 4 lanes(in the trunk section) in each direction.
I'm not counting Moscow's MKAD as it's an urban motorway, and I'm not sure if it even has real motorway standards.
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Old February 4th, 2007, 02:31 AM   #10
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I'm not counting Moscow's MKAD as it's an urban motorway, and I'm not sure if it even has real motorway standards.
The 5 lane highway looks quite real to me:

http://www.gtspirit.com/2005/11/02/m...scow-ringroad/
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Old February 4th, 2007, 02:58 AM   #11
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I'm not saying it's not 5 lane! It obviously is!

It does quallify, it's just that it's urban, unlike the dutch A4 stretch.
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Old February 4th, 2007, 02:35 PM   #12
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That small stretch in the dutch A4 (a bit more than 8 km's) is the only motorway in Europe I know with more than 4 lanes(in the trunk section) in each direction.
I'm not counting Moscow's MKAD as it's an urban motorway, and I'm not sure if it even has real motorway standards.
No, the UK has a few too.

Take the M8 in Glasgow, for instance:



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Old February 4th, 2007, 02:41 PM   #13
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M25 near London:



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Old February 4th, 2007, 02:48 PM   #14
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M2 in Belfast (the only one I could find), also 2x5 lanes for long stretches:

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I'm not saying it's not 5 lane! It obviously is!

It does quallify, it's just that it's urban, unlike the dutch A4 stretch.
I heard they banned all slow traffic and traffic lights on the MKAD a few years ago, so it should be a real motorway now. But i guess they have still those old short offramps etc, but hey, they have them in Germany too
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Yes, for what I've seenm in Google Earth, it's a complete freeway.

Thank's for the info nothingman.
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Old February 10th, 2007, 06:43 PM   #17
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I'm not saying it's not 5 lane! It obviously is!

It does quallify, it's just that it's urban, unlike the dutch A4 stretch.
it is real motorway, so as 3TK.
officially it is street of course because of city and federal standards that put all roads within city boundaries in a street category.

here is you can see as of 2003
dark orange are rural/suburban motorways and light orange are urban motorways
http://maps.google.com/?q=moscow&ie=...,6.536865&om=1


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there has been never any lights on MKAD. there was few lights on 3TK but all was removed now afaik
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Old February 16th, 2007, 02:58 AM   #18
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Not in Europe but in Argentina we have a 2x5 highway...
its named "Autopista panamericana" or "Acceso Norte" (Panamerican Highway or North Acces)..




It's 2x6 near the city centre..
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Old February 16th, 2007, 09:08 AM   #19
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I guess when a motorway is too wide (>4 lanes) it doesn't look ćsthetically pleasant anymore. Nevertheless, I wish we had such monstrous motorways over here in California because our current freeways can't hold large mount of traffic. They literally turn into parking lots during rush hours
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Old February 16th, 2007, 02:35 PM   #20
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M25 near London:



Ah yes... this stretch is to the West of London, near the M4 interchange.
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