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Old June 23rd, 2010, 10:38 AM   #61
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Why don't they just upgrade the existing metre gauge network, with modern signalling, grade separation, and electrification where it is justified, to allow 130kmh (or even 160kmh as in Malaysia) running. This will cost less presumably, and will benefit the working classes more as they would still be able to afford to ride it. Less glamorous than standard gauge bullet trains, but sometimes you gotta learn to walk before you run...
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 04:24 PM   #62
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Why don't they just upgrade the existing metre gauge network, with modern signalling, grade separation, and electrification where it is justified, to allow 130kmh (or even 160kmh as in Malaysia) running. This will cost less presumably, and will benefit the working classes more as they would still be able to afford to ride it. Less glamorous than standard gauge bullet trains, but sometimes you gotta learn to walk before you run...
Upgrading meter gauge railway would temporarily put them out of service. Something Vietnam could ill afford.
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 05:08 PM   #63
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Upgrading meter gauge railway would temporarily put them out of service. Something Vietnam could ill afford.
Nonsense, ever heard of shoofly tracks?
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 05:34 PM   #64
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Nonsense, ever heard of shoofly tracks?
Temporary tracks still cost land, time and money. And vietnam doesn't have money.

That money would be better spent on laying a totally new standard gauge track.
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 05:41 PM   #65
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Temporary tracks still cost land, time and money. And vietnam doesn't have money.

That money would be better spent on laying a totally new standard gauge track.
ergo: Upgrading meter gauge to standard gauge railway would temporarily put them out of service. Something Vietnam could ill afford.

Not to mention, existing metre gauge rolling stock and locomotives would have to be either re-bogied or scrapped, something Vietnam could ill afford...

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Old June 23rd, 2010, 06:30 PM   #66
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In the case of Malaysia, when the Rawang-Ipoh electrified double tracking project was being implemented, the new double track line is built just right next to the original single track line.

There were reduction of trips and during the construction and whenever there is passing train, the construction work has to stop temporarily until the train passes. In whole, the railway operation still continues during the project implementation period only with some cuts on trips.

There was debate on whether to build it as standard gauge or metre gauge few years ago on Malaysian newspaper, but at the end, Malaysia concentrated on metre gauge and improving what they have.
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Old June 24th, 2010, 11:19 AM   #67
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You need to have a standard gauge in all of SEA so as to interconnect all your networks.
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Old June 26th, 2010, 04:25 AM   #68
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Vietnam moving to revive Shinkansen plan

The government of Vietnam plans to revise and resubmit a proposal rejected by its national assembly, or parliament, to build a Shinkansen-style high-speed railway system, a visiting senior official said Wednesday.

Dinh La Thang, chairman of the Vietnam National Oil and Gas Group, told Satoshi Arai, Japan's national policy minister, that the Vietnamese government hopes to adopt the Shinkansen technology and have it operating by 2025.

Thang, a member of the Central Communist Party Committee, met Arai at the Cabinet Office.Vietnam's National Assembly on Saturday voted down the proposal to build a 1,500-kilometer high-speed railway system between Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City, citing the $55.8 billion (5.05 trillion yen) cost as too high.

Thang said the assembly had asked the government to review the proposal and the government is doing so.

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Old June 26th, 2010, 11:14 AM   #69
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You need to have a standard gauge in all of SEA so as to interconnect all your networks.
Not necessarily. Vietnam and Cambodia have the same 1000 mm gauge, but no rail connection across the lower Mekong between Phnom Penh and Ho Chi Minh. China and Vietnam have a rail line between Nanning and Hanoi, but different gauges.

Yes, Vietnam is poorer than Guangdong. But so are Guangxi, Guizhou, Yunnan.
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Old June 26th, 2010, 02:50 PM   #70
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i thought thailand and malaysia also run on the same 1000mm gauge.
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Old June 26th, 2010, 04:28 PM   #71
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i thought thailand and malaysia also run on the same 1000mm gauge.
Yes, they do. But while Cambodia is connected to Thailand, she is not connected to Vietnam.
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Old June 26th, 2010, 07:55 PM   #72
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hmm,i think i remember that a few country had pledge to donate track to cambodia

i had read a news report that malaysia is donating it old track from last EDT upgrade (rawang-ipoh) to cambodia,but i'm not sure how many track were given.
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Old June 29th, 2010, 10:27 AM   #73
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Proposed monorail aims at reducing gridlocks in Hanoi



Mono or double rail debate in Hanoi speeds up

VietNamNet Bridge – Hanoi needs an overhead tramcar route to reduce gridlock, but transportation experts should weigh the benefits of a mono or double rail.

Vietnam Construction Import-Export Corporation (Vinaconex) has recently submitted a plan to build a monorail route in Hanoi to deal with traffic jams in the western areas. The route will run overhead from Hoang Hoa Tham to Van Cao – Nguyen Chi Thanh – Tran Duy Hung to the end of Lang-Hoa Lac highway, totaling 38 kilometers.

According to Vinaconex, the project developer, a monorail is appropriate for Hanoi because it doesn’t require large space. The train can run through buildings by overpasses or underground. Ticket prices will be low, affordable for government employees, students, and others.

The monorail was chosen because one kilometer is estimated at only $8 million of investment capital compared to $40-50 million for one kilometer of normal railway. Transportation analysts stress, however, that the monorail capacity is lower than a normal rail system.

Phan Le Binh, a senior expert from the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA), noted that , in Japan, mono and double rails are very popular. Monorail trains can carry 50-60 passengers per carriage, compared to 100 for double rail trains. He maintained that the monorail’s advantage is low investment capital and suitability for short distances and small cities where traffic circulation is small.

Dao Ngoc Nghiem, Hanoi Architecture Planning Association Vice-Chair, has supported the monorail project. He noted that Hoa Lac will become a satellite town with 600,000 people, so a monorail route from the center city is necessary. An overhead monorail is a good choice for a distance of 40km through a populated area.

Khuat Viet Hung, deputy director of the Institute for Traffic Planning and Management, has worried that it would be a waste to build an overhead monorail route from Hoa Lac because Hanoi plans a rapid bus route on this road. He speculated that passengers may choose the rapid bus rather than the monorail because of lower fares. In addition, the capacity of the rapid buses will be higher than monorail.

According to Hung, the city should build an overhead double rail route because they can run faster and can carry more passengers.

Nguyen Manh Hung, Vietnam Car Transport Association Chair, welcomed the idea of constructing overhead rail routes, but he stressed that Hanoi should carefully research the number of passengers to make appropriate investment plans.
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Old September 2nd, 2010, 01:49 AM   #74
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Vietnam still considering high speed rail solutions

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The Ministry of Transport will continue researching the possibilities of a bullet train from Ho Chi Minh City to Hanoi.

“The government has approved the construction techniques submitted by the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) and asked the Ministry of Transport to make further research and detailed plans for the Hanoi-Ho Chi Minh City high-speed rail project to submit to the National Assembly,” confirmed minister of transport Ho Nghia Dung.

Dung explained at the government’s press conference on August 31 that the National Assembly had voted down the project in June so the government hasn’t made any conclusions regarding investment.

The National Assembly rejected the 56-billion-dollar project and suggested that shorter high-speed rails connecting some regions and provinces would be more suitable for the economic potential of Vietnam.

Following this suggestion, the government has approved employing technical support from Japan’s official development assistance (ODA) on the shorter rails connecting Hanoi-Vinh, Ho Chi Minh City- Nha Trang, and Hanoi- Noi Bai Airport. The Hanoi- Noi Bai Airport project will get more priority in order to enhance the capacity of this international airport.

“Seeing the potential of a high-speed rail, the government asked the Ministry of Transport to study and provide detailed plans for this project to answer the National Assembly’s inquiry,” Dung said.


Japan, which is the biggest provider of ODA to Vietnam, especially in regards to infrastructure projects, including some important transportation projects like Bai Chay Bridge, Can Tho Bridge, Hai Van Pass Tunnel, is now also cooperating in the rail project.

“The government needs more discussion on this project. This project will totally use non-refundable Japan’s ODA, with no binding terms regarding investment. The selection of technology and investor for this project has not been made,” shared Dung.


He added that, although the site clearance for the Hanoi - Ho Chi Minh City high-speed rail project now seems unfeasible, a new rail to meet the increasing transportation demand still forces the government to study and make alternate plans available to carry out the project.

Addressing when this plan will be submitted to the National Assembly, Minister Ho Nghia Dung revealed, “It may take us 3-4 years to make a detailed plan because it must contain information on landmarks, long-term programming within 40-50 years, technology, economic efficiency or effect on the environment and many other details. After that, it will all depend on the National Assembly’s decision.”
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Vietnam's railway history

More than 100 years ago, railway first came into being in Vn, but it's not until 1936 that the railway line linking the North and South was completed. nowadays Vietnam railway industry has gained a lot of achievements including effectively applying advanced technique and technology which considerably improved service quality and extended operating scale. After over 125 years of development, Vietnam's railway industry has served on seven major roads and travel through 35 provinces and cities from north to south.


Development Milestones

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In 1881 marked the beginning of the railway industry in Vietnam with the length of 71 km linking Sai Gon and My Tho.

- 1898:
The French Government was approved the construction plan for railway in Indochina and connect with China for transporting the resources that were better exploited.

1936: North-South railway line was completed with a length of 2600km. The main purpose of this route is to increase the exploitation of mineral resources of the colony.

President Ho Chi Minh wrote a letter to Vietnam railway industry commending its performance on 21 - 10 - 1946 which was then chosen as the branch's establishing date.

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in 1955, Vietnam Prime minister signed one decree adopting the establishment of vietnam railway administration, which were considered as a milestone opening the new chapter for the industry

- 1976 : The Northsouth railway line was back to operation after war period. Yet, it reopened to serve the people's transportation demand.

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In 1990, the secretary of Vietnam transportation submitted the resolution no575/QD/TCCB-LD , aiming at reforming agencies related to railway industry to help railway lines in the country improve structure and construction administration.

- 1999 railway journey from north to south and vice versa has been shortened from 58 hours (1988) to 32 hours (1999).

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In 2000, vietnam railway marked the new progress as the second generation locomotive which had been rated of high quality and safety was introduced

- To improve service quality and production capacity in 2003 Prime Minister signed a decision for the establishment of railway companies in Vietnam.

In 2005, Vietnam national assembly approved the law on railways industry aiming to warrant its operation complying with law, which was the first step to improve development patterns so as to expand the whole system afterwards.

- 2008: National Assembly unanimously construction high-speed rail system north-south with the capital to 56 billion dollars.

-In 2010 constructed the first line of high-speed rail project under construction in the north-south Ho Chi Minh City.

The paper provides information about Vietnam railway. Hope it will help you know more about it. Good luck.



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Old June 4th, 2012, 01:12 PM   #76
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Minister say Vietnam high-speed rail a no-go for now

A high-speed rail network is not currently on the cards for Vietnam. The country's newly-appointed Transport Minister Dinh La Thang told the Vietnamese press that while it's a necessary transport system in an industrialised nation, Vietnam had more fundamental issues to deal with.

Vietnam's national railway company, Vietnam Railways, had tabled a proposal for a 1,630-kilometre, USD56 billion high-speed rail link between Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City, capable of running at 250 to 300 km/h.

While Vietnam is spending large sums on improving infrastructure, Thang said such construction is beyond the country's competence. "The current situation of Vietnam doesn't allow the government to undertake a project on the high-speed rail," Thang was quoted in Vietnam Business News.
http://www.cleanbiz.asia/story/minis...rail-no-go-now

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Vietnamese high-speed rail link dropped in favour of slower box trains


VIETNAMESE mainline rail, running between Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi was to be
transformed into a high-speed link by 2013, but now official focus has been
turned to providing container trains to and from the Hai Phong marine terminal.

The aim, reports the UK's Handy Shipping Guide, is to reduce truck volume
to and
from Hai Phong by increasing rail freight and it is hoped that railcars will
carry 230 TEU a day by the end of the year.

But foreign investment is needed to bring this about, said the report.
Discouraging this is Vietnam's differing rail gauges.

An Asian Development Bank (ADB) report said there was great potential for a
rapid increase in rail freight, but since 1993, Vietnam as a major
recipient ADB
financing, has mostly used infrastructure funding on road building rather than
rail, said the report.
http://www.thaibsaa.com/news/world-s...ox-trains.html
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Old June 5th, 2012, 11:37 AM   #77
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Corruption can even hinder Vietnam's railway modernization.
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Old July 8th, 2012, 07:27 AM   #78
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Corruption can even hinder Vietnam's railway modernization.
not only happen in Vietnam.
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not only happen in Vietnam.
Oh, I almost forgot that... even in other emerging economies and developed nations as well...
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Oh, I almost forgot that... even in other emerging economies and developed nations as well...
Yes, u are right.
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