Wembley Stadium (90,000)

[Villiers Terrace]

Oh and don't forget what they promised you either.

"The worlds finest arena to experience the world's finest game" with, "90'000 just feet away from the action!" Chuckle.

If by action they mean the spectacle of day-glo stewards being bottled when England conceed, then yeah, you won't be disappointed, if you actually wanna see the game take your telescope.

[Villiers Terrace]

Originally Posted by Peyre

You are jumping the gun a bit, how can you judge the atmosphere when a capacity game has not even yet been played. The stadium was designed with acoustics in mind, and thus I am pretty confident that 90,000 fans will have something to say about your comments

Maybe the acoustics will magnify the high-pitched squeals of 40'000 bored 'New Football' school-kids, that's possible, but even if they wire up Bose loudspeakers on every bucket seat, it still doesn't equate to an intimidating, in your face, wall of noise generated by genuine football fans just a hair's breath away from the action. Forget it, it's a physical as well as a volume thing and believe me it just won't happen in the arched shopping mall you're showing me.

[Villiers Terrace]

Originally Posted by Peyre

I struggle to see how anyone can design a multi-purpose stadium with a 90,000 capacity, built for comfort and awe, and still have the fans right on top of the pitch, its not going to happen. Just image how steep the stands would have to be! I.E, at rollercoaster levels, unsafe.

...and unfortunately that level of "imagination" summed up the level of design ambitions excercised on this little beauty.

Answer to your question though: they're called SIDES.

[*England*]

hard to say whether Villiers is envious or just plain jealous, however it is always nice to hear other peoples views even if they're talking total shit!

[The Hunted]

It looks great, but I can't judge it and until I go there.
The arch looks incredible from forty miles away, which is the closest I have come to the new Wembley and the fact that I can see it from that far away is incredible for a stadium!

[Peyre]

I think Villiers is English, so I can't see how jealousy and envy is a factor. Somethings not right.

Fact of the matter is, Wembley was never intended to be an old-fashioned compact club stadium with terraces packed full of people who create an 'intimidating' atmosphere.

It is a national, multi-purpose stadium, design to give 90,00 people a chance to watch sport...people of all ages, who will go home in awe with an experience, in comfort, safety and hopefully with plenty of sporting and cultural moments fresh in the memory.

Wembley was never going to be Westfalon or an Anfield. And from the pictures we have seen, Wembley is on track to accomplish its goal. Why you are comparing these stadiums, I don't know.

[Villiers Terrace]

Originally Posted by *England*

hard to say whether Villiers is envious or just plain jealous, however it is always nice to hear other peoples views even if they're talking total shit!

..oh shucks honey, you know you love it.

[potto]

Perhaps Villiers likes piss and blood stained terraces? although it has a certain charm its not good enough for a national stadium!

[Scarecrow]

I agree with Villiers about the distance from the pitch. Judging by the Allianz, this can't be a UEFA directive. Same with the Emirates. You may as well have the old dog track instead of the coloured gravel. Hopefully if supply doesn't meet demand, they could sink the pitch and add aonther 6'000 seats or so to wihin a few meres of the pitch.

It'll be for 'observers', not for those who want to participate. You can't have any running banter with the linesmen or 'keepers, because they'll be too far away to hear you.

[Villiers Terrace]

Originally Posted by Peyre

I think Villiers is English, so I can't see how jealousy and envy is a factor. Somethings not right.

Fact of the matter is, Wembley was never intended to be an old-fashioned compact club stadium with terraces packed full of people who create an 'intimidating' atmosphere.

It is a national, multi-purpose stadium, design to give 90,00 people a chance to watch sport...people of all ages, who will go home in awe with an experience, in comfort, safety and hopefully with plenty of sporting and cultural moments fresh in the memory.

Wembley was never going to be Westfalon or an Anfield. And from the pictures we have seen, Wembley is on track to accomplish its goal. Why you are comparing these stadiums, I don't know.

I just love the game, but don't love some aspects of how our game/society is being shaped for us.

You make decent points P, and I know it's going to be an impressive stadium. Just as a fan of the game, and, as a practising designer, the stadiums limitations and assumptions (i.e. that fans have to be restrained to prevent the odd streaker) both predictable, frustrating and vaguely offensive.

I mean why really separate the pitch from the punter by 25 full metres?? What's that all about do you think?? It's about the increasing neutralisation and control of people and space. I just happen to think the pendulum's gone too far. (Watch tonight's second part of the Is That All There Is documentary on BBC2).

Let's face it, despite what you say about the 'multi-use' nature of the place, this is primarily a cathedral to and statement of that capitalist dream- New Football. This 'new' vision of what football is or should be, oozes from every off-the-shelf pre-cast of N.Wembley's super-structure: part spectacle, part sport, part active, mostly passive, and MOSTLY business.

I just don't share it. And moreover I don't rate the soddin design. It's a typical British bean-counter inspired simulacrum of that which is done authentically and with proper cultural feeling elsewhere.

[Jonny Gee]

Where does this '25 metres' figure come from?

[jakkk]

what exactly will those crowd control bits do? they look like they might grate you up like cheese!

[Its AlL gUUd]

Seems to me some people are talking out of there back sides, the acoustics in that stadium are absolutely AMAZING!! when the cheers reverbarated round the stadium with only a handful of people seated it was pretty deafening and i felt tingles. And the pitch felt SO close, it didnt bother me much. why are people complaining??????

[*England*]

only complaints i've heard is from women about how loud their hand dryers are in the toilets, why cant they do what men do and use their shirts!

[Its AlL gUUd]

Originally Posted by *England*

only complaints i've heard is from women about how loud their hand dryers are in the toilets, why cant they do what men do and use their shirts!

I was talking about Villiers

[eddyk]

And it's not sentiment to observe that this Wembley's archictecturally inferior to the San Siro and the Allianz and, based on the ocean of dead space between pitch and spectator, probably destined to be atmospherically inferior to all the others I singled out.

The distance between the stands and the pitch is complacant with new UEFA guidelines.

As I say, it's another bland modern bowl, ahem "rescued" by a stupidly superfluous roof, a tacky arch and rampant overcapacity.

Is the allianz just another bland modern bowl?

You can't just re-design the wheel is what I'm saying.


As for over capacity...how do you figure?


Also the san siro needs to be torn down before it falls down.



One problem with wembley stadium....the exterior on the back is quite poor.

The front is class though I think.


At least it wasn't built in brum though....that's a huge plus.

[vertigosufferer]

Originally Posted by *England*

only complaints i've heard is from women about how loud their hand dryers are in the toilets

Well that's just about done it for me, what a hell-hole it is lol

women

[*England*]

the main problem is it looks too good for the area, until the new buildings around it are up then it will bring out the best in the stadium and it will all compliment eachother, by the time its all finished the stadium would of hosted a lot of finals and quality events and a lot of history in the making.

[potto]

I was in the top tier for the charity game at Wembley and I felt jsut as close to the action as i was when in the top tier at the Emirates... not close like at a Vauxhall conference game but then you cant tell what going on! SO horses for courses me thinks. However the size of the place became apparant when looking all the way over at the other side of the stadium, at the opposite stands or following the seating around the stadia so I think it has been done very well indeed.

[Its AlL gUUd]

Originally Posted by potto

I was in the top tier for the charity game at Wembley and I felt jsut as close to the actionas i was when in the top tier at the Emirates... not close like at a Vauxhall conference game but then you cant tell what going on! SO horses for courses me thinks. However the size of the place became apparant when looking all the way over at the other side of the stadium, at the opposite stands or following the seating around the stadia so I think it has been done very well indeed.

Exactly! i felt like i could touch the pitch, it looks so close and the view is perfect(although i was on club wembley level ) so i dont see what people like Villiers who haven't been are talking about. The gaps were no problem for me.