TURIN - Juventus Stadium (41,254)

[AzeemClark]

Originally Posted by Mrs.Sissy

were at the beginning in italy....as i consider this stadium as german ones not english because there almost the same....

Spot On Respect

[michał_]

Originally Posted by Don Homer

It's a simple question of taste.
Juventus stadium architect wanted to express an idea of modernity but the result is eventually almost anonymous, in my opinion - only in my opinion. Indeed, for example, Arena Lviv, whose design is apparently poorer, being a complex very simple and linear, seems to be a better solution to my eyes.

Not only yours, I have the exact same opinion.

I understand some Juventus supporters don't handle criticism too well, but that design is and will remain uninspiring (too me: dull, insipid) as more and more new stadiums will overshadow it in comming years with France being next right after the current wave in Poland and Ukraine (of course most of Euro 2012 were built for public money and are overpaid, but wasn't Italy applying for the same tournament? Go blame UEFA Italy didn't win for Juve to have its ground subsidied).

Juventus built a stadium that is great value for money as the price was really low for a venue of that class. So what? That does NOT entitle any of Juve fans to say "shut up" just because someone doesn't like their ground. To cut long story short: "We didn't have money for something others are building so you cannot say bad things about us" - is pretty much the message I see Paulitos has. Well, everyone can say bad things about this stadium if they feel so. Look at the roof structure. It is the ONLY distinctive element of this stadium and most important element of the design and what happened? It wasn't designed right and needs steel support obstructing view. That is a huge flaw, you have to deal with it.

[Fab87]

We don't have to deal with tastes. You think it's insipid? Fair enough. Your own taste, not a fact. To me it looks classy and definitely original, it recalls the old Delle Alpi with the pennons which already became a landmark. The steepness of the stands is particular as well and so is the combination of seats. Opinions...
Ukrainian and polish stadia have dozens of defects that our stadium has not. Cables were a big mistake, but nobody's perfect. In terms of details I think it's a great stadium.

[Fab87]

Nevertheless, let me add one more thing. Everyone's talking so much about financial fair play. Arsenal are still "paying" for their super expensive Emirates Stadium. Valencia got bankrupt while trying to build a new faraonic and oversized stadium. You know what the situation in Italy is, there's one thing called corporate sustainability that becomes of particular importance in this moment, especially in Italy. Juventus managed to build a stadium of this kind (which is in a very strict sense an extreme restructuration of the old delle Alpi) in a sustainable way, recycling materials and saving money, with a result that might not be liked by everyone, but is to no extent cheap. I think this should be recognized, it is not moral to spend more than 400mil euro for a stadium like the one in Warsaw. I do not blame UEFA, I'm happy our government doesn't have to waste money where the private sector should do it. Therefore of course the design is a matter of taste, but these considerations DO count when judging a stadium.
We didn't ask for compensations in terms of building houses or things like that, for instance. This means respecting the city, something that not every football club is familiar with.

[Axelferis]

Originally Posted by Fab87

Nevertheless, let me add one more thing. Everyone's talking so much about financial fair play. Arsenal are still "paying" for their super expensive Emirates Stadium.

Arsenal reimbursement is faster than initially scheduled. The stadium is the most rentable in Europe.

My surprise concerns the low cost of juve stadium. Only 120 million for a 42k seater??!
How they managed this miracle?
In france a 25k seater such as MMArena Le mans costs 102 millions euros.

[Fab87]

As said it's a partial refurbishment of the former Delle Alpi, some structures of the old stadium were integrated in the new one, the basement of the old stands is now the mixed area outside the stadium with some services and the walk of fame on the top of it. Plus, Juventus sold part of the external ground to Nordiconad, who built there the shopping mall. In fact, the actual cost of the stadium is around 170-180mil (can't remember right), but part of the investment was covered by selling to Nordiconad part of the area

[Axelferis]

ok
it's true by selling a ground you disminish the cost.
Then a club which can sell ground isn't a "poor" club.

[Paulitos]

Originally Posted by michał_

Not only yours, I have the exact same opinion.

I understand some Juventus supporters don't handle criticism too well, but that design is and will remain uninspiring (too me: dull, insipid) as more and more new stadiums will overshadow it in comming years with France being next right after the current wave in Poland and Ukraine (of course most of Euro 2012 were built for public money and are overpaid, but wasn't Italy applying for the same tournament? Go blame UEFA Italy didn't win for Juve to have its ground subsidied).

Juventus built a stadium that is great value for money as the price was really low for a venue of that class. So what? That does NOT entitle any of Juve fans to say "shut up" just because someone doesn't like their ground. To cut long story short: "We didn't have money for something others are building so you cannot say bad things about us" - is pretty much the message I see Paulitos has. Well, everyone can say bad things about this stadium if they feel so. Look at the roof structure. It is the ONLY distinctive element of this stadium and most important element of the design and what happened? It wasn't designed right and needs steel support obstructing view. That is a huge flaw, you have to deal with it.

i prefer our stadium than the ones in Ukraine and Poland, and not because i'm a Juve fan. Those stadiums have many defects just like Juventus stadium. Then the design is a matter of taste i'm agreed. The only distinctive element is not only the roof, no one has a walk of fame, you can like it or dislike it ok but it's another element, the area around the stadium is the biggest in Europe, Juve could build everything on that area for further revenues. and yes , i'm sorry to say that but even the cables for better or for worse are another distinctive element

[Axelferis]

are you serious about those cables???
The worst element i've seen for a recent stadium

[Fab87]

I agree they are terrible and i hope we get rid of them soon. But I wouldn't trade our two levels super steep stands for a stadium with no cables, for instance, to give you a clue about the scale of different aspects in my opinion

[Paulitos]

Originally Posted by Axelferis

are you serious about those cables???
The worst element i've seen for a recent stadium

they have some charm i admit.

[robbery4774]

Originally Posted by Axelferis

are you serious about those cables???
The worst element i've seen for a recent stadium

What cable??

[Don Homer]

Originally Posted by Fab87

As said it's a partial refurbishment of the former Delle Alpi, some structures of the old stadium were integrated in the new one, the basement of the old stands is now the mixed area outside the stadium with some services and the walk of fame on the top of it. Plus, Juventus sold part of the external ground to Nordiconad, who built there the shopping mall. In fact, the actual cost of the stadium is around 170-180mil (can't remember right), but part of the investment was covered by selling to Nordiconad part of the area

One question, please.
When you state that the actual cost of the stadium is about 170-180 millions, do you mean the stadium altogether cost that amount, but Juventus spent only 120 millions because by selling the ground for the mall they saved about 60 millions?
Thus, without that sale, Juventus would have spent about 50% more?

[Don Homer]

Originally Posted by robbery4774

What cable??

Some steel cables which link the roof to the ground in the corners of the field because of certain design flaws of the roof, if i am not wrong.

[Fab87]

Originally Posted by Don Homer

One question, please.
When you state that the actual cost of the stadium is about 170-180 millions, do you mean the stadium altogether cost that amount, but Juventus spent only 120 millions because by selling the ground for the mall they saved about 60 millions?
Thus, without that sale, Juventus would have spent about 50% more?

No, sorry, my mistake. I got confused.

[barbados]

3 wonderful photos from the opening ceremony

[michał_]

Originally Posted by Paulitos

no one has a walk of fame, you can like it or dislike it ok but it's another element,

Actually, this has been done a number of times already at many major stadia. Not looking the same as in Juventus' case, but walks of fame as a way to get extra funds are nothing new. It was of course a very wise thing to make use of the vast radius of the old stadium and celebrate the legends + allow people to spend money for the sake of their own vanity.
Of course this adds to the ground's identity, but hard to call a distinctive element.

[Axelferis]

the video i posted but in better quality

http://www.canalplus.fr/c-sport/c-fo...tml?vid=583904

[secrane]

Won't be available for everybody, I live in France so I can watch it, but there are restrictions outside france.

[secrane]

They're sayin in the video that the stadium was built thanks to Blanc

And that Conte had only 3 months of coaching experience before going to juve :facepalm: