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Old June 16th, 2009, 07:21 PM   #1981
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Sure that makes sense, but we're in the Balkans so it’s not only the rational when it comes to making such decisions. Bosnia is a complicated place, bypassing it means avoiding (probable) complications.
Croatia looks like a more complicated place actually, because it doesn't even wanna hear anything about such a solution. There's no reason for BIH not to accept passing through Neum or block the motorway in the future. If it blocked it, Croatia would build the Pelješac bridge and drive the traffic away from Neum forever.

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Old June 16th, 2009, 09:01 PM   #1982
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Croatia looks like a more complicated place actually, because it doesn't even wanna hear anything about such a solution. There's no reason for BIH not to accept passing through Neum or block the motorway in the future. If it blocked it, Croatia would build the Pelješac bridge and drive the traffic away from Neum forever.
there's no reason for Slovenia to block croatian EU access, so it is happening.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 09:14 PM   #1983
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Old June 16th, 2009, 09:23 PM   #1984
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there's no reason for Slovenia to block croatian EU access, so it is happening.
Slovenia might gain something from blocking Croatia (more sea), what can BIH gain?
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Old June 16th, 2009, 09:29 PM   #1985
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there's no reason for Slovenia to block croatian EU access, so it is happening.
they don´t, the construction of the last missing part novo mesto, Ljubljana motorway is already under construction.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 09:36 PM   #1986
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Slovenia might gain something from blocking Croatia (more sea), what can BIH gain?
it is not EU's problem

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they don´t, the construction of the last missing part novo mesto, Ljubljana motorway is already under construction.
i'd rather say "still", not "allready"
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Old June 16th, 2009, 09:42 PM   #1987
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According to official Croatian documents and plans A1 will pass trough Neum (BiH). But now there is idea in BiH that thay want another route, and they want us to finance that!
Although that route would be cheaper, couse of easier terrain, it would be very stupid of Croatia to finance that route.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 09:51 PM   #1988
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Maybe they could co-finance it. It's ridiculous that Croatia should pay the full price for a motorway on Bosnian territory, but paying for a part of it might not be a weird idea, if it wasn't for the location: Balkans. I think a motorway to Dubrovnik only accessible via Bosnian territory will be unacceptable to Croats.

However, financing foreign roads is not that weird. The EU does it all the time, also outside the EU, and for instance, the Netherlands co-financed the German A31 because it's also of value for northern Netherlands.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 09:57 PM   #1989
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However, financing foreign roads is not that weird. The EU does it all the time, also outside the EU, and for instance, the Netherlands co-financed the German A31 because it's also of value for northern Netherlands.
uf, we should finance slovenian motorways

BIH is angry because HR is playing on sure cards and building a bridge to bypass BIH. so HR has shown that it is definitely not our interest that motorway passes through BIH teritory. just remember all conditions which they were asking for bridge, as we are building Oeresund bridge! and still they were not satisfied. so, we ahve shown that there is no need for us to finance motorway in BIH, and they are pissed off because of that
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Old June 16th, 2009, 10:04 PM   #1990
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it is not EU's problem
I don't know what you mean.

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Maybe they could co-finance it. It's ridiculous that Croatia should pay the full price for a motorway on Bosnian territory, but paying for a part of it might not be a weird idea, if it wasn't for the location: Balkans. I think a motorway to Dubrovnik only accessible via Bosnian territory will be unacceptable to Croats.

However, financing foreign roads is not that weird. The EU does it all the time, also outside the EU, and for instance, the Netherlands co-financed the German A31 because it's also of value for northern Netherlands.
Of course it isn't weird. You can't expect from Slovenia to fully finance construction of the Rijeka-Trieste motorway, for example. I say, if you want a road, you should pay for it.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 10:07 PM   #1991
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Of course it isn't weird. You can't expect from Slovenia to fully finance construction of the Rijeka-Trieste motorway, for example. I say, if you want a road, you should pay for it.
i'd die to see your opinion if Graz - Spielfeld, Villach - Karawanken or Monfalcone - Trieste motorways were not built
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Those motorways are in their countries' interests too; what interest does Slovenia have in building the Rijeka-Trieste motorway?
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Old June 16th, 2009, 10:24 PM   #1993
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Those motorways are in their countries' interests too; what interest does Slovenia have in building the Rijeka-Trieste motorway?
To get through traffic out of the villages? Traffic safety?
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Those motorways are in their countries' interests too; what interest does Slovenia have in building the Rijeka-Trieste motorway?
the same as Austria in Graz - Spielfeld?
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It is completely off topic but 3 other countries are blocking only one chapter (law) but Slovenia is blocking opening of 12 chapters and closing of 4. All other members are agreed with it.

About law chapter we can discuss but all others what is Slovenia doing is blackmail. But you will face it till the end of this week. EU is sick of such non-EU Slovenian behavior. You can clearly see it from yesterday EU (Oli Rehn) proposal...

Sorry once again for off topic
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Old June 16th, 2009, 10:42 PM   #1996
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To get through traffic out of the villages? Traffic safety?
A few villages are hardly a reason to build a motorway; that way we could have motorways everywhere.

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the same as Austria in Graz - Spielfeld?
That motorway connects the whole eastern half of Austria with the western Balkans, the Rijeka-Trieste motorway would connect a few Slovenian villages. We clearly don't need it.
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A few villages are hardly a reason to build a motorway; that way we could have motorways everywhere.

That motorway connects the whole eastern half of Austria with the western Balkans, the Rijeka-Trieste motorway would connect a few Slovenian villages. We clearly don't need it.
Rijeka - Trieste would make the fastest route from southern parts of Balkan to Italy, not to mention that it is one of 2 most important touristic routes to Croatia (and tourism is not that minor thing here)
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and if Graz - Spielfeld is that important, why doesn't Slovenia finnish its part of that, in your words, important route?
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Old June 16th, 2009, 11:16 PM   #1999
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Those motorways are in their countries' interests too; what interest does Slovenia have in building the Rijeka-Trieste motorway?
we have mutual interests in building that road because in near future Trieste's, Koper's and Rijeka's ports are going to act as one in the eastern market to attract more cargo to north Adriatic (because it is a whole week of time savings from the route which goes to the north Europe)
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If Croatia started the part of A1 Doli-Dubrovnik so they don't agree on A1 through BiH
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