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Old June 18th, 2009, 02:14 PM   #2021
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It is not 5 km strech. We are talking about 50 km now.
AADT is too small for enyone to benefit from toll. Investment will never be payed off from toll. So it is expected that Croatia finance motorway.

But there are others aspects (tourism and economy) which benefit from that motorway. And it only logical that Croatia invest money in Croatia, even if it is more costly!
Let me get this straight. So Bosnians don't even want to hear about Croatian version of this motorway even when fully funded by the latter? What about the Bosnian 50 km project? Are they willing to co-finance it and if so in what proportions?
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Old June 18th, 2009, 02:21 PM   #2022
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Let me get this straight. So Bosnians don't even want to hear about Croatian version of this motorway even when fully funded by the latter? What about the Bosnian 50 km project? Are they willing to co-finance it and if so in what proportions?
1. Yes.
2. No. They are willing to give us right to built and collect toll, without participating in finace. But since there is no enough traffic it is just losing money!
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Old June 18th, 2009, 02:30 PM   #2023
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I see. Was the variant through Brijesta and Ston ever been considered?
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Old June 18th, 2009, 02:58 PM   #2024
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Over Pelješac bridge will be motorroad (2x2 - 100 km/h). Not Motorway or expressway ( 130 km/h). And it will be free of toll. Then again in Doli, A1 Motorway (with toll) continues to Dubrovnik.
So far there was no oficial suggestion that A1 Motorway goes over Pelješac bridge
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Old June 18th, 2009, 05:04 PM   #2025
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Let me get this straight. So Bosnians don't even want to hear about Croatian version of this motorway even when fully funded by the latter? What about the Bosnian 50 km project? Are they willing to co-finance it and if so in what proportions?
1. No. BiH don´t care about this route because it is in Croatia and BiH doesn´t have anything to do with it.
2. No one knows that, coz no one has ever discussed it.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 06:13 PM   #2026
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Because it is cheaper to build on BiH ground, so Croatia can earn more money. It is also ecologically and touristic better and more acceptable on BiH ground for Croatia. The only reason why you would be against it is politics, coz no other reason is meaningful.
And It is not like the motorway would be 100km from planed location trough Croatia, it would be 5km away.
if BIH would enter EU at the same time as HR, this statement stands and is absolutely right. do you think this is gonna happen really? and that border crossings are just piece of cake?
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This sentence could be You are not that different.
well, not really. we will make A10 (connection to BIH) much before BIH even starts to build anything of that southern motorway. plus - you wanna create new international route. Slovenia is blocking existing and allready established international routes
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Old June 18th, 2009, 07:05 PM   #2027
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I believe this project is not being build to last 2 years, but for next 50 years so if there is difference in BiH and Croatia´s EU entry in 5 years it is not that big problem. I am sure that if there were Yugoslavia still existing motorway would go trough Bosnia coz almost all rasons are saying it is the only feasible and logical option.

When i said that Croatia is not that different i meant more generally.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 07:11 PM   #2028
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if we were in yugoslavia, Zagreb-Split motorway would not be built at all, and we would not have this discussion...

if BiH wants this motorway so bad, nobody is stoping you to build it. why would we have to build motorways trough BiH. it doesn't make sense.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 07:11 PM   #2029
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Hi

Next month I am planing to travel ( by car) to Montenegro,Albania, and Greece.
My question is up to how far the motorway A1 goes down south? Up to where is completed?
I would really appreciate any info about this detail.

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Old June 18th, 2009, 07:16 PM   #2030
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Next month I am planing to travel ( by car) to Montenegro,Albania, and Greece.
My question is up to how far the motorway A1 goes down south? Up to where is completed?
I would really appreciate any info about this detail.

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up to Ravča (northeast from Vrgorac). from there you have some 30 km of not the best state road, and then you reach expressway which leads you down to Ploče at D8
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if we were in yugoslavia, Zagreb-Split motorway would not be built at all, and we would not have this discussion...

if BiH wants this motorway so bad, nobody is stoping you to build it. why would we have to build motorways trough BiH. it doesn't make sense.
you really don´t want to see the point.
I am talking from Croatian perspective not BiH.
Croatia needs that motorway more than BiH, BiH really doesn´t need it at all.
YU was more like reference as example of the same state. And i am sure that if there was YU motorway would be finish until Ulcinj.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 07:48 PM   #2032
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Next month I am planing to travel ( by car) to Montenegro,Albania, and Greece.
My question is up to how far the motorway A1 goes down south? Up to where is completed?
I would really appreciate any info about this detail.

Many thanks

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up to Ravča (northeast from Vrgorac). from there you have some 30 km of not the best state road, and then you reach expressway which leads you down to Ploče at D8
Map of A1 - most southern part
Ravča is on this map marked with red
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Old June 18th, 2009, 08:25 PM   #2033
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Croatia needs that motorway more than BiH, BiH really doesn´t need it at all.
then just leave us to make it in our way if it is not important to you
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Old June 18th, 2009, 08:36 PM   #2034
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then just leave us to make it in our way if it is not important to you
very democratic.
You are always talking about bad Slovenia and their intention to destroy Croatian tourism etc. and you find yourself invited to talk about it, and when someone talks about Croatia´s plans and motorways what are you doing, saying:"just leave us to make it in our way".
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very democratic.
You are always talking about bad Slovenia and their intention to destroy Croatian tourism etc. and you find yourself invited to talk about it, and when someone talks about Croatia´s plans and motorways what are you doing, saying:"just leave us to make it in our way".
it is not the same. let me quote you: BIH doesn't care where would motorway go through because it is not important to BIH. on the other hand - Slovenian motorways are extremely important for Croatia and we care about them
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It is not the same, because you say that. The principles are the same you interfere, I interfere
And after all this is forum i can say my opinion do i?
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you really don´t want to see the point.
I am talking from Croatian perspective not BiH.
Croatia needs that motorway more than BiH, BiH really doesn´t need it at all.
YU was more like reference as example of the same state. And i am sure that if there was YU motorway would be finish until Ulcinj.
i don't understand you at all...

if croatia needs the motorway to Dubrovnik, and has a way to build it over Croatian soil, why does BiH interfer in Croatian plans.

for you it is ok to pay the motorway which will go through BiH and raise quality of life in BiH rather than to do the same thing in own country.

if you care so much about Adriatic-Ionian motorway you should build it with your money... but you are trying to undermine croatian motorway to Dubrovnik now when the documents are already signed and the work is in progress. where was this initiative 3 months ago or couple of years ago.

i think that there never was serious intentions in giving Croatia this motorway, it is just another theatrical politic game from BiH side
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i don't understand you at all...

if croatia needs the motorway to Dubrovnik, and has a way to build it over Croatian soil, why does BiH interfer in Croatian plans.

for you it is ok to pay the motorway which will go through BiH and raise quality of life in BiH rather than to do the same thing in own country.

if you care so much about Adriatic-Ionian motorway you should build it with your money... but you are trying to undermine croatian motorway to Dubrovnik now when the documents are already signed and the work is in progress. where was this initiative 3 months ago or couple of years ago.

i think that there never was serious intentions in giving Croatia this motorway, it is just another theatrical politic game from BiH side
BiH doesn´t interfere, I am not BiH.
Motorway will raise quality of life in Croatia as well, and in this area in Herzegovina i don´t think no one lives there it is empty land, so no one is left to have better quality of life. And if you build motorway trough Croatia it will lower quality of life in many aspects and if it would go trough BiH it would only raise quality of life in Croatia.

Do you think this solution that we will have now is the sane solution? With two motorways and one expressway in 10km strip?! And for the traffic existing road is enough.
Wouldn´t be better to have normal conversation between two sides and determine common interest in this project?! It is after all international project.

Just look how immature and stupid this looks like

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BiH doesn´t interfere, I am not BiH.
Motorway will raise quality of life in Croatia as well, and in this area in Herzegovina i don´t think no one lives there it is empty land, so no one is left to have better quality of life. And if you build motorway trough Croatia it will lower quality of life in many aspects and if it would go trough BiH it would only raise quality of life in Croatia.

Do you think this solution that we will have now is the sane solution? With two motorways and one expressway in 10km strip?! And for the traffic existing road is enough.
Wouldn´t be better to have normal conversation between two sides and determine common interest in this project?! It is after all international project.

Just look how immature and stupid this looks like

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5...benanntkdz.png
i belive we tried to have normal conversation about peljesac bridge...that came out really nicely. BiH tried to put pressure on Croatia probably because of Ploce port.

yes it is international project, but nobody can force croatia to finance and build motorway in BiH. if you think that this motorway would be cost-effective you should find private companies to finance the motorway (like montenegro did with it's Bar-Boljare motorway), not croatian goverment.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 10:23 PM   #2040
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BiH doesn´t interfere, I am not BiH.
Motorway will raise quality of life in Croatia as well, and in this area in Herzegovina i don´t think no one lives there it is empty land, so no one is left to have better quality of life. And if you build motorway trough Croatia it will lower quality of life in many aspects and if it would go trough BiH it would only raise quality of life in Croatia.

Do you think this solution that we will have now is the sane solution? With two motorways and one expressway in 10km strip?! And for the traffic existing road is enough.
Wouldn´t be better to have normal conversation between two sides and determine common interest in this project?! It is after all international project.

Just look how immature and stupid this looks like

This surely won't be the case. Motorway will go over Pelješac bridge through Croatia down to Dubrovnik. There, it may enter BiH for a very short part (but IMHO it should go directly to MNE to avoid customs for the few kms through BiH).

And it's not true that the motorway would lower the quality of life in Croatia, just the opposite.

But anyway, The section in Croatia is already being built so this conversation is pointless...
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