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Old January 11th, 2010, 05:25 PM   #2401
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Is that a full 180 degree turn? The only other motorway/motorway-like expy like road I know that has this is the RA13 (or A4 or SS202 or whatever ) near Trieste, Italy.
It's not a full 180° turn, but close, you can see it here. But if you zoom out, you'll see the 180+° turn just a few hundred meters to the north.
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Old January 11th, 2010, 05:36 PM   #2402
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Is that a full 180 degree turn? The only other motorway/motorway-like expy like road I know that has this is the RA13 (or A4 or SS202 or whatever ) near Trieste, Italy.
it is not,it is about 150° angle. but 3 km before that curve there is a curve with more than 180°.
it is here (the one with larger radius is at the photo).

edit: you have allready got an answer few minutes ago while my pc blocked
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Old January 11th, 2010, 05:40 PM   #2403
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Off topic, but there is a similar turn in Greece too (here).
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Old January 11th, 2010, 06:13 PM   #2404
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it isn't O/T, it's a curve on a freeway. And since that this forum is about Freeways, i do think it belongs here.
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Old January 11th, 2010, 07:33 PM   #2405
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First picture are showing climbing lanes (for up and down), therefore no emergency lane. Second picture shows ordinary urban expressway (it is A6 in Rijeka), which usually don't have emergency lanes. Emergency lanes in Croatia are 2,5 metres wide, that's the same as in many other countries in Europe, like Germany.
Almost all Croatian motorways look like this:
Ah ,I see, thank you. Now I mean there are only some parts of A9 with more narrow hard shoulder. I mean 2,5 meters wide is good. In Slovakia we have wider hard shoulders but that is also enough. Where I can find dimensions and categories of your motorways?

, it is just 25 cm..
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Šírka spevnenej časti krajnice, zahrňujúca aj 0,25 m široký vodiaci prúžok, je 2,75 m pri profile D 26,5 alebo 2,25 m pri profile D 24,5.
btw, kako reći hrvatski "hard shoulder"?
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Old January 11th, 2010, 07:52 PM   #2406
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kako reći hrvatski "hard shoulder"?
Zaustavna traka
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Old January 11th, 2010, 09:24 PM   #2407
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second pic is Split exspressway/bypass, not Rijeka
Ah, yes, I thought that it does not belong to Rijeka, but I couldn't remember. It's been already 8,5 years since I've been driving through Split.

@seem: As I know, Croatian motorway widths are pretty much the same as in other ex-Yugoslavian countries, that means 3,75 m wide traffic lanes (3,5 m in area of reduced speed, like in tunnels) and 2,5 m wide hard shoulder. Of course, hard shoulder can be narrower or wider or even omitted in special circumstances.
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Old January 11th, 2010, 10:05 PM   #2408
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Ah, yes, I thought that it does not belong to Rijeka, but I couldn't remember. It's been already 8,5 years since I've been driving through Split.

@seem: As I know, Croatian motorway widths are pretty much the same as in other ex-Yugoslavian countries, that means 3,75 m wide traffic lanes (3,5 m in area of reduced speed, like in tunnels) and 2,5 m wide hard shoulder. Of course, hard shoulder can be narrower or wider or even omitted in special circumstances.
On 2 plus 2 motorways (no urban) you have only this dimensions?
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Old January 11th, 2010, 11:09 PM   #2409
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On 2 plus 2 motorways (no urban) you have only this dimensions?
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Old January 11th, 2010, 11:37 PM   #2410
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Thank you. I am surprised because in Slovakia we have 3 types. - D 24,5 (unusual, just 70 km of motorway); D 26,5; D 28,0

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similarly in Slovak- Odstavný pruh (this is more formal than "krajnica")

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First picture are showing climbing lanes (for up and down), therefore no emergency lane.
In Slovakia third lane have 2 lines. I didn`t know that this is it.
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Old January 12th, 2010, 10:06 AM   #2411
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Is that a full 180 degree turn? The only other motorway/motorway-like expy like road I know that has this is the RA13 (or A4 or SS202 or whatever ) near Trieste, Italy.

Areal video of this area...

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Old January 12th, 2010, 04:20 PM   #2412
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Thank you. I am surprised because in Slovakia we have 3 types. - D 24,5 (unusual, just 70 km of motorway); D 26,5; D 28,0
You are talking about width of total cross section, which is a combination of all lanes and other stuff. There are more than one type of that in Croatia. I don't know, how it is exactly in Croatia, because I don't know their codes, but in Slovenia there are different total sections depending from case to case.
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Old January 12th, 2010, 06:19 PM   #2413
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Old January 12th, 2010, 07:02 PM   #2414
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Hi guys, i'm back. Everything was ok with my trip excepr in the return when at Sveti Rok with -4° the car heating broke down...
I saw the very nice Rijeka bypass, but sadly i didn't see any progress of the works after Ravca. The situation is identical of last summer. I really cannot imagin how they can manage to complete the section Ravca-Karamatići until June 2010 as they continue to say...
Let's make a game, everyone bet the year when the A1 will be completed:
1) section Ravca-Karamatići (my opinion June 2011)
2) section Ploce1-Slivno (my opinion 2015)
3.1) section Slivno-Doli with bridge (my opinion NEVER)
3.2) section Slivno-Doli via BiH (my opinion 2017)
4) section Doli-Dubrovnik (my opinion 2013)
5) Dubrovnik-MNE/BiH (my opinion NEVER)
I wait for your choises (and let's see in 5-10 years who was right).
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Old January 12th, 2010, 10:26 PM   #2415
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Latest official info:
Ravča - Vrgorac 2011
Vrgorac - Karamatići after 2012

Doli - Dubrovnik are not in plan to start until 2012
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Old January 12th, 2010, 10:51 PM   #2416
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What about this?
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Old January 13th, 2010, 10:23 AM   #2417
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Ravča - Vrgorac 2011

3 years to build 8 km... is that possible?
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Old January 13th, 2010, 11:44 AM   #2418
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Length doesn't really matter. If geology is difficult 8 km can take 3 years, but also 40 km. The difference is if they work simultaneously over many sections, or doing it phase by phase, the latter takes much more time overall.
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Old January 13th, 2010, 12:11 PM   #2419
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The government/state owned companies more or less build all our motorways themselves, no free EU money or anything like that. Now due to crisis budget cutdowns were unavoidable to keep the currency stabile and prevent budget deficit.

Long story short, no money for swift roads constrction we witnessed so far in Croatia.
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Old January 13th, 2010, 01:12 PM   #2420
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Length doesn't really matter. If geology is difficult 8 km can take 3 years, but also 40 km. The difference is if they work simultaneously over many sections, or doing it phase by phase, the latter takes much more time overall.
Indeed, it is true.
We had a section on M7 (Hungary) which was about 12 Km long and it took 4 years to build.
The price was the same as 35 Km of motorway on other part of the country.
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