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Old July 28th, 2010, 11:27 PM   #2801
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enviromental influence. i don't see why would be it worse that through BIH
It will have a bad influence towards tourism. Personally I wouldn't go to a hotel if there is a motorway right next to it.
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Old July 29th, 2010, 01:24 AM   #2802
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Ehm, I didn't expect to hear that from a very active member of the H & A section!

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Old July 29th, 2010, 02:34 AM   #2803
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A fenced motorway through BIH wouldn't make sense, if it crossed it for more than a few kms. BIH wouldn't accept it anyway, only through Neum.
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Old July 29th, 2010, 03:28 AM   #2804
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enviromental influence. i don't see why would be it worse that through BIH
well than you are maybe motorway expert but not environment expert. There were studies that said that motorway would have awful influence for environment south of Peljesac and especially on Dubrovnik. I am confused that you dont know that.
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Old July 29th, 2010, 09:03 AM   #2805
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Ehm, I didn't expect to hear that from a very active member of the H & A section!

Chris, ban him >: D
You know, I like motorways very much, but when I'm on holiday I prefer more pure no polluted areas. On holidays I drive many secondary mountainous roads in order to better explore the areas I'm passing. And when there is a good alternative I don't see why it can't be taken into consideration. Probably a custom union between Croatia and Bosnia will solve the problem a fenced motorway represents. It will also provide good budget savings, as there are so many border crossings.
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Old July 29th, 2010, 06:06 PM   #2806
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It will have a bad influence towards tourism. Personally I wouldn't go to a hotel if there is a motorway right next to it.
no, there are none plans where motorway would go next to your hotel. hotels are in the city and on the seaside, motorway would be...
am i at all supposed to answer that stupidity?! if D8, which today carries all that traffic, doesn't disturb tourism, why would A1, which would pass 5 km farer?! the only narrow place is near Župa Dubrovačka, but motorway would be hidden behind the hill there, too.

try to google about former railroad in Dubrovnik. A1 could without any problems follow its route. so if railroad could have been built in those scary mountains, why wouldnt a motorway be, too? and railroads have ascents and descents in promiles...

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well than you are maybe motorway expert but not environment expert. There were studies that said that motorway would have awful influence for environment south of Peljesac and especially on Dubrovnik. I am confused that you dont know that.
where are those studies? links please.
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Old July 29th, 2010, 06:43 PM   #2807
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...former railroad in Dubrovnik...

mmm... so interesting! i didn't know that! do you have a map of the route of this railway or a link to see it!
Please, help! I have to see it!
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Old July 29th, 2010, 08:55 PM   #2808
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...former railroad in Dubrovnik...

mmm... so interesting! i didn't know that! do you have a map of the route of this railway or a link to see it!
Please, help! I have to see it!
i will pm you some interesting links. it was narrow gauge railway, closed in 1968 (that year is so sad for railfans - many railroads were closed then in Croatia)
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Old July 30th, 2010, 09:30 AM   #2809
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Can you send me these links? I have to see this!

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Old July 30th, 2010, 06:46 PM   #2810
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See what kind of awful campaign they're doing:
http://www.novilist.hr/Vijesti/Novos...-bez-auta.aspx

It seem they prepair the ground to tell us that is better not to build the motorway until Dubrovnik!!! Just not to admit they made such mistakes and lost (stolen?) so much money in the previous years...

I can imagine that the traffic until Ravca is so small and whoever went there knows that you're put on a terrible local road so many people still exit at Sestanovac and drive along the cost. But when there will be a real motorway at least until Ploce the traffic will increase immediatelly.
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Old July 30th, 2010, 06:58 PM   #2811
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See what kind of awful campaign they're doing:
http://www.novilist.hr/Vijesti/Novos...-bez-auta.aspx

It seem they prepair the ground to tell us that is better not to build the motorway until Dubrovnik!!! Just not to admit they made such mistakes and lost (stolen?) so much money in the previous years...

I can imagine that the traffic until Ravca is so small and whoever went there knows that you're put on a terrible local road so many people still exit at Sestanovac and drive along the cost. But when there will be a real motorway at least until Ploce the traffic will increase immediatelly.
you shouldn't bother with this journalist... facts are twisted in almost every article he writes.

his job is to write negative on every project, so he lost his credibility with all motorway fans in cratian section of SSC
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Old July 30th, 2010, 07:39 PM   #2812
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but on A1 traffic is really quite low. but however that motorway should exist as it is a part of tourist infrastructure.
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Old July 30th, 2010, 08:22 PM   #2813
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it is also very important for further development of port of ploče
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Old July 30th, 2010, 08:28 PM   #2814
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but on A1 traffic is really quite low. but however that motorway should exist as it is a part of tourist infrastructure.
Yes, but the main reason is that it ends nowhere IMO.
Now it takes to much time to get to highway if you go somewhere not to far.
But I think this will change when A1 reaches Ploče.
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Old July 31st, 2010, 12:36 AM   #2815
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no, there are none plans where motorway would go next to your hotel. hotels are in the city and on the seaside, motorway would be...
am i at all supposed to answer that stupidity?! if D8, which today carries all that traffic, doesn't disturb tourism, why would A1, which would pass 5 km farer?! the only narrow place is near Župa Dubrovačka, but motorway would be hidden behind the hill there, too.

try to google about former railroad in Dubrovnik. A1 could without any problems follow its route. so if railroad could have been built in those scary mountains, why wouldnt a motorway be, too? and railroads have ascents and descents in promiles...


where are those studies? links please.
there are places where Croatian territory is only 500m, so how would you solve that?
and off course motorway destroys environment after all it is f...ing ugly to watch it from the beach.
btw former railroad route gous next to houses trough the city.
For those studies you should google your meida.
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Old July 31st, 2010, 06:53 AM   #2816
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Why would anyone on that beach (if there are any after all) bother to stare at the motorway behind their backs when they have the beautiful Adriatic sea right ahead of them splashing their feet?

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Old July 31st, 2010, 01:37 PM   #2817
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if you are in the water you look at th coast. Or they can close their eyes and not look, just swim.
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why does that bother you... didn't you say that you will never come to croatian coast

and if the motorway is such a problem there is still a lot of coast without motorways near...
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Old August 10th, 2010, 03:11 AM   #2820
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Good Hafen, believe me, you're the last person on this whole Earth who will be consulted on anything about Croatian motorways...
Let me put it another way: Croatia shall built neither motorway from A3 to Bosanska Gradiška nor Schengen border crossing near Stara Gradiška. The traffic from Banjaluka to the west in the future may go to the Sredanci, or perhaps better, to the Županja Schengen border crossing.
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