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Old January 29th, 2011, 12:36 AM   #3041
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Thanks x-type, that solves much of the E65 routing.

Some maps put E65 on D8 instead of A1 between Senj and Maslenica. Could there be a historical reason tied to the completion of various A1 sections that might explain old A1 signs without E65 but new signs with E65? Maybe some parts of A1 were completed and E65 was left on D8, then other parts of A1 were completed and E65 was moved and signed on the new and old parts without the old parts' signs being updated (or something similar).

Halitophobe, is the southern path of E65 this: A1, D62, D513 to Ploce, D8, BIH M-2, HR D8, Montenegro?

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As for E71, does it follow a simple path of A4 - A3 - A1 from Hungary to the Split interchange, then D1 toward Split? Does it end at the D1 & D8 interchange near Split, or continue further into Split, or just end at the A1 & D1 interchange? Some interesting places where a photo would be useful are the A1 interchanges for Split (D1) and Karlovic (also D1) as well as anything along the D1 route Karlovic - Bihac - Split to see if E71 might have two routes at once, which has precedents in other countries.
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Old January 29th, 2011, 11:48 AM   #3042
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Thanks x-type, that solves much of the E65 routing.

Some maps put E65 on D8 instead of A1 between Senj and Maslenica. Could there be a historical reason tied to the completion of various A1 sections that might explain old A1 signs without E65 but new signs with E65? Maybe some parts of A1 were completed and E65 was left on D8, then other parts of A1 were completed and E65 was moved and signed on the new and old parts without the old parts' signs being updated (or something similar).
i think it is just not clear yet which route should it follow - A1 or D8.
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As for E71, does it follow a simple path of A4 - A3 - A1 from Hungary to the Split interchange, then D1 toward Split? Does it end at the D1 & D8 interchange near Split, or continue further into Split, or just end at the A1 & D1 interchange? Some interesting places where a photo would be useful are the A1 interchanges for Split (D1) and Karlovic (also D1) as well as anything along the D1 route Karlovic - Bihac - Split to see if E71 might have two routes at once, which has precedents in other countries.
yes, new situation for E71 is obviously A4-A3-A1-D1 and it ends at roundabout Bilice where D1 officially begins (and intersects with D8).

i promise i will take care about that when i will go to some of those places next time

some more interesting photos:

A1 Otočac - both E65 and E71


A1 Vrpolje - E65


A1 Prgomet - E65


but A1 Vučevica (the newst exit north of Split) says both


and now the moment you've been waiting for: exit Dugopolje (Split). E65


so it is obvious that on oldest exits (from the beginning of 2000es) there was nothing signed, on "middle" exits when majority of motorway was opened we have kinda mess where E71 is signed on north part, and E65 on southern, and on newst exits we have both of them signed.

this is just after toll plaza in Dugopolje (interesection of motorway access road with D1). no E numbers, but you can see that D1 goes down to SPlit.


but on that roundabout E65 appears. it says that it goes down to Split, but also in direction of Dubrovnik (doesn't matter that Sinj is also in that direction; however this sign is stupid as hell, it shoud say direction Dubrovnik together with Split, and maybe Dubrovnik on green background back on motorway). E65 probably appears here from the times when A1 used to finnish here in Dugopolje.


here i just prove you that D1 goes down to Split (actually Solin) where it interesects D8



i tell you - completely mess
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Old January 29th, 2011, 12:11 PM   #3043
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One can exit A 1 for Kastela and Trogir two exits north of Dugopolje exit? Really hope Google Earth is updated, cause I have no idea were this road would be...
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Old January 29th, 2011, 03:21 PM   #3044
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One can exit A 1 for Kastela and Trogir two exits north of Dugopolje exit? Really hope Google Earth is updated, cause I have no idea were this road would be...
it is visible on Google Earth. it's D58. exit Prgomet, and then 5 km long Ž6112 up to Prapratnica, and then D58 down to Trogir.
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Old January 29th, 2011, 04:46 PM   #3045
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So the newer signs show both E65 and E71 as far south on A1 as one exit north of Dugopolje (Split) pointing the routes toward that interchange. But at the Dugopolje interchange, E65 continues south on A1, but E71 doesn't show up following D1, even if D1 goes toward Split to D8.

So the remaining question is whether E71 actually continues on D1 to D8 and just isn't signed around the Dugopolje interchange, or if it simply ends at the Dugopolje interchange. I know that by looking at similar situations with other E routes ending in other cities in Europe, sometimes the E route will lead into the city and stop, and sometimes it just vanishes at an interchange on the motorway bypass, so one cannot simply guess the situation correctly.
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Old January 29th, 2011, 08:17 PM   #3046
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E71 ends in Split, although it is not signed. in HR the E roads are not often signed on D roads. you will find them mostly on A roads.
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Old January 30th, 2011, 01:00 AM   #3047
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Between valley and new roundabout (current beginning of A9) there is about 75 m of altitude difference. With 1,5 km long expressway, one short tunnel or big cutting there is no need to reach border control on Croatian side, connection could be done exactly on the bottom. It would be still steep (about 5%), but that is acceptable. If Slovenians would build some sort of approach viaduct on H5 just behind current border control, slope would be even more gentle. Of course existing border controls will have to be removed.
Ok, 5% isn't that bad at all. There's a 4% ascent standard on motorways (and I think on some parts of A6 there's even 6% steep, but there is a third lane for slow vehicles). If so, it would be a really nice and picturesque road between the 2 countries.
And there would be no need for border controls, because when A9/H5 will be connected, Croatia will be part of EU
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yes, A6 between tunnel Veliki Gložac and viaduct Zečeve Drage has 6% (or even 7), and that is the largest descent on HR motorways. i don't know what is the value of descent between tunnel Sveti Rok and Maslenica on A1
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Old January 30th, 2011, 12:06 PM   #3049
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A grade of 5% or more should be avoided on motorways if possible. If you do have 5%, a third lane would be needed for slow trucks. A border crossing on top of a 5% grade is most annoying with stop-and-go traffic.
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Old January 30th, 2011, 02:32 PM   #3050
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A grade of 5% or more should be avoided on motorways if possible. If you do have 5%, a third lane would be needed for slow trucks. A border crossing on top of a 5% grade is most annoying with stop-and-go traffic.
yep. here is webcam from that section:

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Old January 30th, 2011, 09:09 PM   #3051
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A grade of 5% or more should be avoided on motorways if possible. If you do have 5%, a third lane would be needed for slow trucks. A border crossing on top of a 5% grade is most annoying with stop-and-go traffic.
Of course, if the descent is bigger than 4%, then there should be a third lane for slow vehicles (it is stated in our traffic law!). Only A6 and A1 have such descents, and because of that have those third lanes. We'll see what would happen with construction/completion of A9 (SLO border) and A8 (from Učka to Rijeka). I think that also A7 will have big descents, since it's going to climb across Velebit mountain to reach Žuta Lokva interchange (but the construction won't start in near future)
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Old February 3rd, 2011, 04:27 PM   #3052
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Rijeka bypass


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Old February 3rd, 2011, 04:37 PM   #3053
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I like that bridge very much
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Old February 7th, 2011, 10:12 PM   #3054
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Rijeka bypass U/C

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Old February 7th, 2011, 11:40 PM   #3055
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Thanks for the pics, but that's A7, not Rijeka bypass (unless you see Rijeka somewhere).
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Old February 8th, 2011, 02:37 AM   #3056
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Thanks for the pics, but that's A7, not Rijeka bypass (unless you see Rijeka somewhere).
we've been through this discussion...

officially it is Rijeka bypass (from Matulji to Krk bridge)
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Old February 8th, 2011, 02:57 AM   #3057
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The Earth used to be officially flat.
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Old February 8th, 2011, 03:05 AM   #3058
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Rijeka officially used to stretch to Krk bridge...
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Old February 10th, 2011, 12:01 AM   #3059
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Thanks for the pics, but that's A7, not Rijeka bypass (unless you see Rijeka somewhere).
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we've been through this discussion...

officially it is Rijeka bypass (from Matulji to Krk bridge)
You both have right: that's not A7 (the real motorway A7 will go further to the north and east), but it has such designation at the moment. The real designation will be D8 (državna cesta 8).

But also, it's official name is "Rijeka bypass", because it's one continuous expressway from Matulji to Krk bridge, passing through Rijeka suburbs

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Old February 10th, 2011, 09:04 AM   #3060
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If that road is an expressway, than its designation should be B8 (B-official abbreviation for "Brza cesta/Expressway") instead of D8.
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