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Old March 2nd, 2011, 10:47 AM   #3121
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True, if Croatian signs would be wider to accommodate both version of town name in one line then it would be much less messy.
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Old March 2nd, 2011, 11:14 AM   #3122
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It's not just about space, there are 13 names and 5 road numbers on this sign. There is no way you can get all of that in 2 - 3 seconds, especially since the engschrift isn't the most legible font around.
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Old March 2nd, 2011, 04:31 PM   #3123
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^nice. where is the location of the 2 last photos?
The last section of A9 (red colour on the picture), from Umag exit to the roundabout is in half-profile. The green part is in full-profile

The pictures are taken on that red section, from that roundabout to Umag exit.

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Old March 2nd, 2011, 04:40 PM   #3124
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If we assume that the temporary end of A9 motorway (the end of divided lanes) will be somewhere AFTER the Umag/Plovanija intersection in the direction of Koper/Trieste, why is this sign (placed BEFORE the Umag/Plovanija interchange in the same direction) yellow instead of green?
And if the names of towns with significant Italian minority in the Croatian part of Istria are bilingual, why the same principle isn't applied for names of towns in Slovenia or Italy (Koper/Capodistria instead of Koper or Trieste/Trst instead of Trieste)?

(I forgot to say before that one of my grand-grandmother was Italian.)
Yes, that yellow sign is strange, because the motorway goes towards north, and there will be another 4 km of motorway when the A9 will be finished and connected to slovenian H5. Instead of that yellow sign, there should be a green one with yellow destinations on it

I don't want to discuss about the bilingual signs. They are confusing because of many toponyms on them, but it's the regulations that says it's going to be like that. As far as Trieste and Koper are concerned, that's clear - in Croatia foreign cities are written only in the official name of that country.
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Old March 2nd, 2011, 05:44 PM   #3125
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Chris, you make too much fuss about bilingual signs. Minorities (which may even be majorities sometimes) will never agree to leave them out, so they are here to stay and we should drop this topic.
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Old March 2nd, 2011, 07:18 PM   #3126
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I wasn't denying these bilingual signs don't exist. I'm simply pointing out multi-lingual signs tend to be messy, especially with more than 2 or 3 destinations. On the yellow sign above Trieste and Koper aren't even signed with their alternate names, imagine how the sign would look if they signed all alternate names (Trst and Capodistria).
as Puležan wrote - there are not Trst and Kopar/Capodistria signed because in HR foreign destinations are signed only in original form. if there were signs for Vienna in HR, it would be written only Wien (A), without Beč.

that makes quite confusion in these bilingual areas. actually, on that yellow sign 2 thing are the most confusing to me: first is Austrian oval (what the hack is it doing there?!) and second is Kaštel for which I am sure there is Italian name Castello (which is not written).
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Old March 2nd, 2011, 08:32 PM   #3127
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as Puležan wrote - there are not Trst and Kopar/Capodistria signed because in HR foreign destinations are signed only in original form.
'Capodistria' is original form, so the signage is inconsistent.
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Old March 2nd, 2011, 09:19 PM   #3128
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'Capodistria' is original form, so the signage is inconsistent.
no. for Slovenia only Slovenian names are official on HR signs. so Capodistria is out of any combination.
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Old March 2nd, 2011, 10:31 PM   #3129
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When motorways A8 and A9 should be finished (2X2) in total distance?
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Old March 3rd, 2011, 12:52 AM   #3130
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no. for Slovenia only Slovenian names are official on HR signs. so Capodistria is out of any combination.
why than Trst?
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/4238/pb110013.jpg
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Old March 3rd, 2011, 02:27 AM   #3131
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Because it's an old sign.

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no. for Slovenia only Slovenian names are official on HR signs. so Capodistria is out of any combination.
Well, this doesn't make sense to me. Signing Capodistria would be a lot more logical than signing Fiume.
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Old March 3rd, 2011, 02:32 AM   #3132
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that sign looks entirely monolingual - only croatian names. how old it is?
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Old March 3rd, 2011, 02:52 AM   #3133
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that sign looks entirely monolingual - only croatian names. how old it is?
That part of A9 was built in 1991.
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Old March 3rd, 2011, 03:03 AM   #3134
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Because it's an old sign.

Well, this doesn't make sense to me. Signing Capodistria would be a lot more logical than signing Fiume.
Law declares to sign only domestic places in bi(multi)/lingual sings where we have minorities. Koper/Kopar/Capodistria is foreign place and it is signed according to official naming of that (in this particular case your) country. On A5 in Slavonia you can see Pécs on sign, even thoe we call it Pečuh. x-type also mentioned Wien/Beč as an example.

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that sign looks entirely monolingual - only croatian names. how old it is?
I think it's before 2000, but someone from Istria could be more precise.
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Law declares to sign only domestic places in bi(multi)/lingual sings where we have minorities.
I know what the law says. What I'm trying to say is that the law is a bit silly IMO.
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Old March 3rd, 2011, 04:29 AM   #3136
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That part of A9 was built in 1991.
right, I remember watching maps of slo and hr and for years only a short section of istrian y was shown. I was always questioning myself whats that half motorway in the middle of nowhere doing there
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Crossing the Lim Valley (Limska Draga).
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Old March 3rd, 2011, 12:37 PM   #3138
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right, I remember watching maps of slo and hr and for years only a short section of istrian y was shown. I was always questioning myself whats that half motorway in the middle of nowhere doing there
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Crossing the Lim Valley (Limska Draga).
Right, that small section from Kanfanar to Medaki exit was the first part of today's A9, built in 1991. And it was really important, because you didn't have to go down and around Limski kanal (so called "Lim fjord"), and you could save about 20 min going across Limska Draga viaduct
Here's the chronology of the Istrian Y in english:
http://www.bina-istra.com/Default.aspx?sid=1128
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Old March 3rd, 2011, 12:47 PM   #3139
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When motorways A8 and A9 should be finished (2X2) in total distance?
A9 will be finished this year (in June) in the entire lenght (80 km) But the western carriageway (towards Pula) will get a hard shoulder few years later.

A8 will be upgraded to a full profile in 3 phases:
1) In october 2011 part from Kanfanar junction to Pazin (exit #3 Rogovići) will be in full profile
2) Up to 2014 the section from Pazin to Učka tunnel will be upgraded to a full profile
3) After that, the last section from Učka tunnel to Rijeka bypass will be built on a new corridor, because today's road is narrow, it has many curves and there's a big slope. The date isn't known
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Well, this doesn't make sense to me. Signing Capodistria would be a lot more logical than signing Fiume.
to me too. also, if they sign Rijeka/Fiume, they should sign Zagreb/Zagabria too (there are signs to Zagreb around Pula I guess)
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