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Old April 24th, 2011, 05:11 PM   #3201
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Because it is under jurisdiction of HC (Croatian Roads) and they never named their roads as A and B. Stupid. So stupid that now we have two D28s running parallel for few km's (old and new). According to me theY should have named it B12.
And it is not A12 because it is not tolled, and A roads are tolled.
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Old April 24th, 2011, 11:33 PM   #3202
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Why is D28 not already called A12?
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Because it is under jurisdiction of HC (Croatian Roads) and they never named their roads as A and B. Stupid. So stupid that now we have two D28s running parallel for few km's (old and new). According to me theY should have named it B12.
And it is not A12 because it is not tolled, and A roads are tolled.
Also, D28 doesn't have hard shoulders, which is one of conditions for A-roads.

As x-type said, Croatia has really stupid model for numbering of expressways, which are state roads. When they build a new expressway which is supposed to be an substitute to "old" state road, they just "move" designation from old state road to a new expressway, and the old road is degraded to county road So all of our expressways are D-roads (Rijeka bypass-A7-is also D8, Osijek bypass is D2, Zadar connection to A1 is D424...)

Today, only the eastern part of Istrian Y has a B-designation - B8, but all of our half-motorways are designated with B during the construction of the second carriageway (Rijeka-Zagreb was also B6; today is A6)
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Old April 25th, 2011, 12:18 AM   #3203
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as far as i remember, there should have been B6, but they've named it A6 since the beginning because it was in the phase of upgrading when A and B names were introduced.

the largest mess was with state road D3. it goes from Hungarian broder Goričan - Čakovec - Varaždin - Zagreb - Karlovac - Rijeka - Pazin - Pula. as they have been opening new motorways' sections, D3 was moved to motorway, and old road was signed as lower rang roaad (ŽC). so D3 became horribly interrupted because suddanly they stopped doing it
but i drove old part of D3 few weeks ago and it seems that they have returned it.
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Old April 25th, 2011, 01:26 AM   #3204
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thanks for explaining Pulezan. and what is Udbina? it's marked 522 on google...
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Old April 25th, 2011, 03:56 AM   #3205
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And it is not A12 because it is not tolled, and A roads are tolled.
A3 around Zagreb isn't tolled.
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Old April 25th, 2011, 11:24 AM   #3206
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A3 around Zagreb isn't tolled.
i am talking about whole motorways. this is just a small part, just as A7 around Rijeka or expressways in Istria signed as B roads. however - very stupid thing how 2 companies couldn't agree about names. very stupid.

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thanks for explaining Pulezan. and what is Udbina? it's marked 522 on google...
also D522. jurisdiction of HC, not HAC. but it is not expressway in whole lenght.
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Old April 26th, 2011, 03:23 AM   #3207
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A6 when it was still a half motorway (2004)

direction Zagreb










near Vrbovsko it was already 2x2

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Old April 26th, 2011, 03:30 AM   #3208
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Old April 26th, 2011, 06:10 PM   #3209
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wow what a fantastic historic photos!

btw it reminded me the year 1995, the first newer section oh half motorway between Delnice and Oštrovica was opened, we felt as driving in heaven when we reached it after 100 km's of curvy and dangerous D3 (not to mention when next section from Kupjak was opened ). but frankly, sometimes i am very nostalgic of those drivings on overcrowded curvy road
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Old April 26th, 2011, 06:55 PM   #3210
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are there any pics of D3?
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Old April 26th, 2011, 08:38 PM   #3211
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are there any pics of D3?
you must be kidding i drove 1 km from exit Delnice to D32 3 years ago, then i drove some 12 km from Delnice to Ravna Gora 6 years ago, and before that was the age of analog cameras
it's nice road, lots of curves, most of the time in forrest, many scenic views as river cascades etc. but it's not easy to drive and thank heaven for motorway for transit traffic there
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Old April 26th, 2011, 10:29 PM   #3212
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here are some photos of D3 near Vrbovsko, actually the route is Novo mesto (Slo) -> Ogulin (Hr) -> Senj -> Jablanac.

(start) http://www.panoramio.com/user/364660...&photo_page=92
(finish) http://www.panoramio.com/user/364660...&photo_page=73

too bad this guy posted only on panoramio.
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Old April 26th, 2011, 10:53 PM   #3213
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D3
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/47165601

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http://www.panoramio.com/photo/47167471

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D42
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Old April 26th, 2011, 11:53 PM   #3214
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I really like those horizontal traffic lights.
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Old April 27th, 2011, 02:22 AM   #3215
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Ljubljana? Wouldn't it be better to sign Črnomelj (or at least Novo mesto like on the motorway)? This doesn't look like a "road to Ljubljana" to me.
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Old April 27th, 2011, 02:49 AM   #3216
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for tourists coming from A1 and taking a shortcut to LJ instead of making a detour via Zagreb?
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Yeah right. I know it's quite a detour over Zagreb, but that's a bad alternative (maybe in summer jams).
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hehe. I see no other explanation except of Croats wanting to point out how small is Slo, so LJ is the next village by the border.
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Old April 27th, 2011, 03:25 AM   #3219
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Croats should land on earth and realize you're never far away from the border or sea in Croatia.
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Old April 27th, 2011, 08:20 AM   #3220
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Three years ago I drove from Adriatic coast to Munich and I used a shortcut Karlovac-Neretić-Žakanje-Metlika-Novo Mesto via Croatian D6 and Slovenian G105. I wanted to avoid jams on Lučko Toll station. Both roads (D6/G105) wasn't bad but quite curvy.
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