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Old February 11th, 2012, 08:44 PM   #3801
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nice! could you even drive without snow chains on this?
I would say that you could. Few days ago city-streets in my town looked a lot worse than what's in those pics and I drove without any problems only with winter tyres (without chains... but I had them prepared in the trunk just in case).

edit: here it is, just with winter tyres:

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Old February 11th, 2012, 08:46 PM   #3802
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nice! could you even drive without snow chains on this?
Yes, of course. We have the best snow removing from MW in the world.
Only big trucks with trailers are banned. All other can go with winter tyres
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Old February 11th, 2012, 08:48 PM   #3803
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Are there alternatives if there is a Bora occurring?
the most often closed section is on A1 Sveti Rok - Posedarje. when it is closed, traffic is redirected on D50 and D27 Sveti Rok - Gračac - Obrovac - Zadar, what is cca 30 km longer.

second the most often closed due to wind is A6 Delnice - Kikovica. you can bypass it on D3 Delnice - Gornje Jelenje - Grobnik, but frankly i wouldn't like to experience strong wind on Gornje Jelenje - Grobnik
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Old February 11th, 2012, 08:49 PM   #3804
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Are there alternatives if there is a Bora occurring?
Only stretch between Delnice and Kikovica is now closed, due to hurricane on viaducts Hreljin & Bukovo. The alternative is via D3; Delnice-Gornje Jelenje-Grobnik(Kikovica) at Rijeka.

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Old February 11th, 2012, 08:59 PM   #3805
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Last time i took this pic at the viaduct Hreljin. Truck was overturned by Bura gust at 25-28m/s and while the pavement was wet (not snowed).



Today once more a truck with trailer is overturned in Rijeka but no pics yet.

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Old February 11th, 2012, 09:51 PM   #3806
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I would say that you could. Few days ago city-streets in my town looked a lot worse than what's in those pics and I drove without any problems only with winter tyres (without chains... but I had them prepared in the trunk just in case).

edit: here it is, just with winter tyres:
i agree, it is not problem to drive on the streets in town. The difficulties occurred when the moving is on the slopes. For most trucks with trailers every slope higher than 3% is impassable, no matter of chains. As MW A6 has three slopes over 5% it is not recomended to let them drive on.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 09:52 PM   #3807
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Today once more a truck with trailer is overturned in Rijeka but no pics yet.
On this picture a windbreak can be seen (blue grid, we call it "burobran"), but it's only for direction to east (Rijeka > Zagreb), which was built during the 2000s. The northern carriageway was built in 1982. and don't have preparation for them. But, at this strong wind (orchanic bora: more than 33 m/s, 119 km/h) neither a windbreak can help.

For winds faster than 32 m/s (115 km/h) motorways are opened only for personal cars. When wind reaches speed of more than 36 m/s (130 km/h) motorway is closed for all traffic!

This picture was taken in october 2011, on A6 around Oštrovica, when bora wasn't that strong. The speed limit was only 40 km/h. You can also see a windbreak between the carriageways.


And here are some different types of windbreaks on A1 (section Sv.Rok-Maslenica):




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Old February 11th, 2012, 10:12 PM   #3808
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On this picture a windbreak can be seen (blue grid, we call it "burobran"), but it's only for direction to east (Rijeka > Zagreb), which was built during the 2000s. The northern carriageway was built in 1982. and don't have preparation for them.
this could also be a viaduct Hreljin, built in 1996 (one half) and 2008 (the second one). interesting is that on viaduct Hreljin the windbarriers are built on old half


edit: sorry, that's a new carriageway.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 10:17 PM   #3809
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For winds faster than 32 m/s (115 km/h) motorways are opened only for personal cars. When wind reaches speed of more than 36 m/s (130 km/h) motorway is closed for all traffic!
You give us parameters for one position on A1. As you know, each our company has its own protocol; Krk, HC, ARZ, HAC. HAC has three different protocols; 1st for Maslenica, 2nd for viaduct Bozici, 3rd for Vucipolje. I think that you speak about V.Bozici.

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Old February 11th, 2012, 10:33 PM   #3810
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This picture was taken in october 2011, on A6 around Oštrovica, when bora wasn't that strong. The speed limit was only 40 km/h. You can also see a windbreak between the carriageways.

In windy condition this protocol will no more exist on A6 due to danger of lateral crashes. ARZ changed that at the beginning of this year.
How that will look like is showed below.

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Old February 12th, 2012, 09:15 PM   #3811
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I would say that you could. Few days ago city-streets in my town looked a lot worse than what's in those pics and I drove without any problems only with winter tyres (without chains... but I had them prepared in the trunk just in case).

edit: here it is, just with winter tyres:
yh, I saw your video, also of Bucharest, it looks insane, but seems like your car is dealing fine with snow.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 09:00 PM   #3812
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Today Bura overturned foreign HGV at Makarska.

http://cro.time.mk/read/1b5127267d/b...8d1/index.html



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Unfortunately, foreign HGV drivers do not know what Bura is. This time, it is Serb’s HGV (Valjevo).

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Old March 13th, 2012, 06:49 PM   #3813
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My colleague sent me these pictures from A6 motorway web cam today. ARZ activated bear management plan in front of tunnel Tuhobic, near Rijeka.



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Old March 14th, 2012, 09:21 PM   #3814
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Is he watching this web cam all the time?? He cought great picture
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Old March 15th, 2012, 11:58 PM   #3815
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This article appears today in Triestin newspaper Il Piccolo:http://ilpiccolo.gelocal.it/cronaca/...ieri-1.3290312
I didn't translate it from Italian:
"FIUME. I lavori di costruzione dell’autostrada Fiume–Zuta Lokva cominceranno quest’anno. La notizia è ufficiale, diramata dal ministero della Marineria, che ha per titolare Zlatko Komadina, ex presidente della Contea del Quarnero e Gorski kotar e dunque assai «interessato all’affare». Proprio così perché la Fiume–Zuta Lokva, lunga 56 chilometri, è ritenuta un progetto di fondamentale importanza in quanto allaccerà il capoluogo quarnerino alla Dalmatina, l’autostrada Zagabria–Spalato–Vrgorac, località quest’ultima ad una manciata di chilometri da Ploce, il più importante porto della Dalmazia. In pratica la nuova autostrada – i cui termini di consegna non sono stati ancora fissati – permetterà a coloro che si inseriscono nella tangenziale fiumana di proseguire fino all’area meridionale della Dalmazia, evitando così di attraversare la Litoranea adriatica, statale piena di curve, stretta e con tempi di percorrenza parecchio lunghi. La Fiume–Zuta Lokva farà parte della futura autostrada adriatico–ionica, che sarà lunga 1500 chilometri e attraverserà Italia, Slovenia, Croazia, Bosnia ed Erzegovina, Montenegro, Albania e Grecia. La Croazia dunque sta facendo la sua parte e, nonostante la crisi, l’asse autostradale in direzione di Ragusa (Dubrovnik) viene realizzato a tappe. Non così l’impegno di Slovenia e Montenegro che finora, in questo ambito, non hanno fatto praticamente nulla. Tornando alla Fiume–Zuta Lokva, questa costerà circa 730 milioni di euro, 13 milioni di euro per chilometro. Un costo molto alto, dovuto alla caratteristiche del terreno, assolutamente ondulato e che vedrà viadotti e gallerie costituire un terzo dei 56 chilometri. Quest’anno si comincerà con il traforo Vratnik, lungo 3.500 metri, che unirà il Quarnero e la Lika. Comporterà l’esborso di 80 milioni e sarà il quarto tunnel più lungo in Croazia, dopo quelli di San Rocco, Mala Kapela e Monte Maggiore. Il progetto Vratnik ha già ottenuto la licenza edile, con i lavori che probabilmente saranno finanziati congiuntamente dalle imprese pubbliche Autostrade croate e Autostrada Fiume–Zagabria. Se Bruxelles dovesse conferire all’autostrada adriatico–ionica lo status di corridoio europeo, le autorità croate potrebbero anche contare su finanziamenti comunitari e pertanto il completamento della Fiume–Zuta Lokva conoscerebbe tempi più brevi."
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it should be "motorway Rijeka - Žuta Lokva" or "autostrada Fiume - Pozzanghera Gialla".
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Old March 16th, 2012, 12:20 AM   #3817
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This article appears today in Triestin newspaper Il Piccolo:http://ilpiccolo.gelocal.it/cronaca/...ieri-1.3290312
I didn't translate it from Italian:
"FIUME. I lavori di costruzione dell'autostrada Fiume-Zuta Lokva cominceranno quest'anno. La notizia è ufficiale, diramata dal ministero della Marineria, che ha per titolare Zlatko Komadina, ex presidente della Contea del Quarnero e Gorski kotar e dunque assai «interessato all'affare». Proprio così perché la Fiume-Zuta Lokva, lunga 56 chilometri, è ritenuta un progetto di fondamentale importanza in quanto allaccerà il capoluogo quarnerino alla Dalmatina, l'autostrada Zagabria-Spalato-Vrgorac, località quest'ultima ad una manciata di chilometri da Ploce, il più importante porto della Dalmazia. In pratica la nuova autostrada - i cui termini di consegna non sono stati ancora fissati - permetterà a coloro che si inseriscono nella tangenziale fiumana di proseguire fino all'area meridionale della Dalmazia, evitando così di attraversare la Litoranea adriatica, statale piena di curve, stretta e con tempi di percorrenza parecchio lunghi. La Fiume-Zuta Lokva farà parte della futura autostrada adriatico-ionica, che sarà lunga 1500 chilometri e attraverserà Italia, Slovenia, Croazia, Bosnia ed Erzegovina, Montenegro, Albania e Grecia. La Croazia dunque sta facendo la sua parte e, nonostante la crisi, l'asse autostradale in direzione di Ragusa (Dubrovnik) viene realizzato a tappe. Non così l'impegno di Slovenia e Montenegro che finora, in questo ambito, non hanno fatto praticamente nulla. Tornando alla Fiume-Zuta Lokva, questa costerà circa 730 milioni di euro, 13 milioni di euro per chilometro. Un costo molto alto, dovuto alla caratteristiche del terreno, assolutamente ondulato e che vedrà viadotti e gallerie costituire un terzo dei 56 chilometri. Quest'anno si comincerà con il traforo Vratnik, lungo 3.500 metri, che unirà il Quarnero e la Lika. Comporterà l'esborso di 80 milioni e sarà il quarto tunnel più lungo in Croazia, dopo quelli di San Rocco, Mala Kapela e Monte Maggiore. Il progetto Vratnik ha già ottenuto la licenza edile, con i lavori che probabilmente saranno finanziati congiuntamente dalle imprese pubbliche Autostrade croate e Autostrada Fiume-Zagabria. Se Bruxelles dovesse conferire all'autostrada adriatico-ionica lo status di corridoio europeo, le autorità croate potrebbero anche contare su finanziamenti comunitari e pertanto il completamento della Fiume-Zuta Lokva conoscerebbe tempi più brevi."
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Pratically it says that works for A7 Rijeka - Zuta Lovka will start within this year. 56km, 730mil EUR, many tunnels and viaducts, longest tunnel 3,5km. It will be part of Adriatic - Jonian corridor.
Very good news, it's a vital link that was planned for many years.
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Actually the price doesn't seem to be too high considering the difficulties on the way. In Poland lately the average prices are hovering around 8 million EUR per km, but you have to remember vast majority of our roads here go through flat land.

Speaking of news - how's the construction of A1 progressing?
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Actually the price doesn't seem to be too high considering the difficulties on the way. In Poland lately the average prices are hovering around 8 million EUR per km, but you have to remember vast majority of our roads here go through flat land.

Speaking of news - how's the construction of A1 progressing?
It's open till Vrgorac and will be completed till Ploce by 2013. The extension towards Dubrovnik won't be build anytime soon (even the route hadn't be decided yet). Is there a chance that Croatia will get more money for highways after joining EU?
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I meant to ask about Vrgorac - Ploče section specifically, it was supposed to be ready by the end of this year, but lately I've been hearing there is a possibility of earlier opening. But I guess your information about 2013 says it all

As for funding - I actually have no clue how this works. Since Croatia is supposed to join EU before 2014-2020 budget kicks in, does that mean they are already negotiating their programs with the Commission? There is still a lot to be done in terms of infrastructure, so yes, a big portion of the money will be assigned to road network projects. But I don't know how's that going to work in Croatia's situation.
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