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Old October 11th, 2012, 10:37 PM   #4041
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There is another problem, because the existing crossing between D8 and D102 is only semi-expresswaylike: D8 (upper level) has exit ramps but D102 (lower level) has regular crossing without signals.
Today, when transit traffic from Rijeka to Crikvenica is going on upper level (D8) this is adequate (route A on the blueprint), but after 1.7.2013., when transit traffic will be going on route B (from D8 to A7), there will be delays in direction Crikvenica.
Therefore I suggest the conversion of this interchange/crossing into the full interchange, similar on Sredanci interchange (A3/A5).

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Old October 12th, 2012, 11:04 AM   #4042
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Puležan, there are news in Croatian newspapers that in the next spring Bouygues is starting conversion of B8 into A8 from Rogovići exit to the Lupoglav (or Vranja) exit. Is it correct? Do you have more information about this?
It is correct. The construction will start in spring 2013. Projects are finished, and the sections will be opening to traffic one by one, so the first section Pazin (Rogovići)-Cerovlje (~10km) is planned to be open in the end of 2013. Section Cerovlje-tunnel Učka (~20km) in 2014, and the new tube of Učka tunnel (~5660m) in 2015.

The new carriageway is being built on the northern side from the existing one, except on the section Ivoli exit-Borut viaduct, because of the stream which can have really high waters during the winter, so there have to be enough space between it and the road.

There will be 2 new rest areas:
1) Lovrinčići, near Cerovlje, with gas station and caffe bar
2) Učka, on the eastern end of the tunnel, with gas station, caffe bar...

Vranja exit will be "moved" slightly to the west and the existing gas station in front of the tunnel entrance will be demolished, so nothing will be there anymore (safety reasons).

There's a plan to build one new exit for Borut, but that's just the option for some time in the future.

When construction of the new carriageway is finished, they will add emergency lane on the existing one. The speed limit will be 110 km/h.

The route from Učka to A7 is still unknown, but in the first phase the existing curvy route to Matulji will be used.

There's also new Anđeli exit and reconstructed Veprinac exit (merging lanes were added), both finished this summer.

http://puo.mzopu.hr/default.aspx?id=5294

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Thx for posting the blueprint of future Križišće intersection. However, on that blueprint two ramps is missing: from the future Rijeka outer beltway (future A7) to the Krk bridge and vice versa. Therefore I submit blueprint with these ramps:
http://imageshack.us/a/img62/880/kk1zcomplete.jpg
That's true, but the terrain is very difficult and A7 coming from south is in tunnel, so there is not much space for everything

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There is another problem, because the existing crossing between D8 and D102 is only semi-expresswaylike: D8 (upper level) has exit ramps but D102 (lower level) has regular crossing without signals.
Today, when transit traffic from Rijeka to Crikvenica is going on upper level (D8) this is adequate (route A on the blueprint), but after 1.7.2013., when transit traffic will be going on route B (from D8 to A7), there will be delays in direction Crikvenica.
Therefore I suggest the conversion of this interchange/crossing into the full interchange, similar on Sredanci interchange (A3/A5).
http://imageshack.us/a/img547/1972/c...102reconst.jpg
You can see on the map that couple of new roads and directions are planned there, and we still don't know what the expressway end will look like, but it is sure that in the future plans that "semi-interchange" won't be on the route, so it won't be a problem
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Old October 12th, 2012, 03:44 PM   #4043
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Old October 15th, 2012, 12:17 PM   #4044
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Rijeka bypass update

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Pogled prema Taboru:


Prema Hreljinu:


Sa razdjelnog pojasa, prema Taboru (zapad):


...i istok - nadam se da ce tu (s obzirom da je obilaznica) staviti rasvjetu, skroz do kraja (Smrike):


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Tu je kraj asfalta na zapadu, usjek pred Tabor:


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Old October 19th, 2012, 08:00 PM   #4045
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Old October 19th, 2012, 08:16 PM   #4046
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Nice, but can Croatia really afford all these empty motorways? There aren't really great times for this.
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Old October 20th, 2012, 01:37 AM   #4047
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doesn't the construction boost up the economy? maybe motorways don't need to be maintained so often later, if they are empty
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Old October 30th, 2012, 12:31 AM   #4048
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What road would you suggest to travel from near Rijeka towards Pula?
1. http://goo.gl/maps/Z8d2O --> E751, from the color I'm guessing motorway/expressway
2. http://goo.gl/maps/y5DP9 --> road 66

Time difference is not so big.
I'm guessing choice 1 is more comfortable, but tolled, while choice 2 more scenic and free

The same question I'm having from Pula to Rovinj
http://goo.gl/maps/AO9wB or http://goo.gl/maps/dESIy
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Old October 30th, 2012, 12:44 AM   #4049
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What road would you suggest to travel from near Rijeka towards Pula?
1. http://goo.gl/maps/Z8d2O --> E751, from the color I'm guessing motorway/expressway
2. http://goo.gl/maps/y5DP9 --> road 66

Time difference is not so big.
I'm guessing choice 1 is more comfortable, but tolled, while choice 2 more scenic and free

The same question I'm having from Pula to Rovinj
http://goo.gl/maps/AO9wB or http://goo.gl/maps/dESIy
Much better the motorway/expressway, the state road is very slow.
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Old October 30th, 2012, 01:39 AM   #4050
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Google says 15 minutes slower only. I'm not really on the clock, it's a vacation road trip. I'm wondering if it's worth to drive along the coast, maybe stop a few times, take some pictures, considering that I will see the sea also from Pula, or if the motorway/expressway has it's scenic views.

Btw, what would be the costs on this stretches?
http://goo.gl/maps/b0BqA
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Old October 30th, 2012, 02:03 AM   #4051
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Google says 15 minutes slower only. I'm not really on the clock, it's a vacation road trip. I'm wondering if it's worth to drive along the coast, maybe stop a few times, take some pictures, considering that I will see the sea also from Pula, or if the motorway/expressway has it's scenic views.

Btw, what would be the costs on this stretches?
http://goo.gl/maps/b0BqA
The coastal road is very scenic and crosses many pictoresque villages. You cannot see the sea from the Y instead, however it offers some nice mountain views.
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Old October 30th, 2012, 12:14 PM   #4052
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Travel time on the motorway (A8+A9) is much shorter than that of the coastal road (D66). It's about 45 min - 1h if you're going on the motorway (speed limit 110 km/h, with possibility to drive up to 130 and not to get fined), and about 1:45 h on the coastal road (speed limit 80, 70, 60 and 40 through urban area of Lovran and Opatija). But if you want to enjoy the view, than you should definitely take the D66. It was rebuilt and repaved in the last few years in the whole length from Barban to Rijeka, so it's very nice to drive and the sea view (including the islands) in the northern part is amazing. You must take a break in Plomin, at this point, it's a restaurant/caffe bar with the terrace above the cliff Also, you'll see many old austrian villas and luxury hotels in Lovran and Opatija.

Considering the route Pula-Rovinj, the only reasonable way is Pula-Vodnjan-Bale-Rovinj: https://maps.google.de/maps?saddr=Pu...=h&mra=ls&z=11
It's about 30 min, road from Pula to Bale is ok (state road D21), from Bale to Rovinj is a little bit narrow and curvy (so don't overtake if you don't know the road), but apart from that it's ok

Considering the route across the whole Istria, these are the tolls:
Umag-Pula (A9) - 37 kn (4,92 €)
Kanfanar-tunnel Učka (A8) - 36 kn (4,79 €)
Pula-tunnel Učka (A9+A8) - 48 kn (6,38 €)

Enjoy
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Old October 30th, 2012, 01:05 PM   #4053
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Does the Y have some 130 sections?
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Old October 30th, 2012, 01:31 PM   #4054
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Thanks Puležan.
I guess it depends also on the weather, and time we arrive at the border SLO/HR.
I would do both roads but there is no time for that .

One more thing, what about taking picture with the country sign at the border, since, HR is not in Schengen?
I would possibly get a chance in these 2 places: http://goo.gl/maps/LNhJW or http://goo.gl/maps/0bqLC
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Old October 30th, 2012, 02:45 PM   #4055
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I've never been in that area but when you look at the Streetview you can see that there is a parking right after the border and next to the country sign.

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Old October 30th, 2012, 03:25 PM   #4056
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I've never been in that area but when you look at the Streetview you can see that there is a parking right after the border and next to the country sign.

Yes, that was my thought too
Thanks to Streetview, at least in Croatia and Italy, if not in SLO.
I just don't want some angry policeman running after me because no pictures are allowed

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[...]You must take a break in Plomin, at this point, it's a restaurant/caffe bar with the terrace above the cliff Also, you'll see many old austrian villas and luxury hotels in Lovran and Opatija.
I see on Streetview that left turning is forbidden, how do you get into the parking?
Also when leaving the parking there is left turning forbidden

EDIT: I'm guessing something like this: http://goo.gl/maps/jvlUq

I see there is another road that lead to an old church or monastery and then to a ferry connection to the island, could be nice view from there too?
http://goo.gl/maps/9o80A

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Old October 30th, 2012, 05:58 PM   #4057
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Does the Y have some 130 sections?
No But you can drive 10% above the speed limit, so in 110 km/h sections you can safely go 121 km/h, but also with 130 there won't be any police patrol stopping you.
Here's the list of croatian motorway "cobras", so if you see a silver mercedes C-class (license plates PU-645-FZ) in the mirror, just slow down
http://www.sisak.info/forum/showthre...De-u-Hrvatskoj

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I see on Streetview that left turning is forbidden, how do you get into the parking?
Also when leaving the parking there is left turning forbidden

EDIT: I'm guessing something like this: http://goo.gl/maps/jvlUq

I see there is another road that lead to an old church or monastery and then to a ferry connection to the island, could be nice view from there too?
http://goo.gl/maps/9o80A
I didn't think about left turning. But if you really want to see that, you can go further straight (cca 2,5 km), and then turn in the town of Plomin, here. But there's another problem - when leaving that rest area, you again can't go left, but back towards Rijeka. So you should do a couple of maneuvers (and spend a little bit more fuel) to do so

About Brestova ferry port, you won't see anything more spectacular then views from the main road (D66)...
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Old November 8th, 2012, 09:46 AM   #4058
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