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Old October 22nd, 2013, 08:04 PM   #4961
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I guess Croatia has not yet asked the EU for funding motorways or the EU has not yet agreed the request.
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Old October 22nd, 2013, 08:15 PM   #4962
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Old October 22nd, 2013, 09:59 PM   #4963
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It will be perfecly allright that EU finances the completion of Croatian motorways network, after Croatia by its own funds have build about 90% of its whole network. The Dalmatina branch of the European Motorway Network will also be a connection of Montenegro as future EU member.
Don't forget that EU had spend huge amounts of money to finance e.g. Polish, Hungarian, Slovenian or Romanian motorways. So I really don't understand a few Polish colleagues forumers here in arguing that EU shoudn't finance the completion of Croatian motorways.
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Old October 22nd, 2013, 11:07 PM   #4964
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Croatia would not get as high a % as countries further east who can get 85% of the cost. Too rich.

None of the 30 priority projects are in Croatia but the EU may part fund the 3 motorways into Bosnia as a concession instead.

As for Ten T Core routes they are mainly built, Slovenia Zagreb Serbia and Budapest Zagreb Rijeka are the core routes. Budapest Sarajevo Dubrovnik is not a Ten - T core route and neither is the coastal motorway.

Croatia is on track for some €1bn+ a year of Cohesion and Regional funding. ( and Transport and Agriculture funding separately) Of the €8bn on offer €5bn goes to less developed regions of Croatia and if they are regions with no motorways then the cohesion funds can be used for motorways on occasion. Maybe all of Croatia is classified less developed ( income of 80% of EU average or less).



It will all be in the partnership agreement the government sends to Brussels...it should be there by now, and published.
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 01:38 AM   #4965
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I am not speaking about Bosnia... because it's obvious that Bosnia & Herzegovina wil not enter the EU for the next 15 years or so. So the motorway from Sarajevo to Dubrovnik is irrelevant... as are connections from Croatia to Bosnia. In fact, Croatian A10 will be finished to the Bosnian border in a month and what do we have at the other side? Only 1,5 km of motorway and after that, 10 kms of a very narrow and curvy road to Čapljina, isn't it? Another example: Sava bridge on Croatian A5 might be finished in this year, but Bosnia didn't do its homework, isn't it?
Maybe the current socialist government in Croatia is blind for a motorway from Ston to Dubrovnik and Ćilipi, but some future governments will for sure continue to build it. Ten kilometers per year, so be it, only with Croatian money, if some here think that EU should finance building of motorways in Bosnia (outside the EU).
And for partnership agreements, dude, everyone knows what Bosnia wants in exchange to allow Croatia to build a motorway through Neum corridor. Croatians don't give up when blackmailed. Period.
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 04:16 AM   #4966
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The partnership agreement ( Croatia <> EU ) is only a 7 year plan for spending EU money.

It may include a tunnel under Neum for all I know , Croatia has not published a version of it yet unlike other EU countries.
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 11:45 AM   #4967
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because it's obvious that Bosnia & Herzegovina wil not enter the EU for the next 15 years or so.
It's almost as obvious as it was in 1985 that Germany won't reunite in XX century.
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 01:48 PM   #4968
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I am not speaking about Bosnia... because it's obvious that Bosnia & Herzegovina wil not enter the EU for the next 15 years or so. So the motorway from Sarajevo to Dubrovnik is irrelevant... as are connections from Croatia to Bosnia. In fact, Croatian A10 will be finished to the Bosnian border in a month and what do we have at the other side? Only 1,5 km of motorway and after that, 10 kms of a very narrow and curvy road to Čapljina, isn't it? Another example: Sava bridge on Croatian A5 might be finished in this year, but Bosnia didn't do its homework, isn't it?
There is 5km of motorway on the other side and 6 more to be opened next year, so only 5km will stay to Capljina and existing road is not that curvy at all.

As of the Sava bridges (pl.), Direction Banja Luka there is a motorway on the Bosnian side, however Croatia is not interested too much in building connection road to Croatian A3 and the bridge either. So I am not sure about homework you were talking about.
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 02:14 PM   #4969
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Bosnia & Herzegovina is effectively a protectorate of the EU anyway (though less blatantly than Kosovo). It hasn't applied for membership as it isn't able to while it remains a colony. And as part of the empire, B&H gets most of the trappings of being a member anyway.

Plus, one of the key reasons of it remaining as an EU satrapy is that full democracy will likely break up this Yugoslavia-in-miniature, with Republika Srpska voting for independence, so it is highly unlikely that Bosnia & Herzegovina will join the EU any time soon.
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 08:21 PM   #4970
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A7 (Rijeka bypass-eastern section around Križišće)

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Old October 23rd, 2013, 08:22 PM   #4971
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 08:25 PM   #4972
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D2 (Osijek bypass)
- the existing 2-lane expressway is currently being upgraded to 2x2

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Rušenje nadvožnjaka na Vinkovačkoj

http://www.sib.hr/vijesti/osijek/113...nkovackoj.html

5. listopada zatvorena je dionica južne osječke obilaznice od čvorišta Čepinska do iza nadvožnjaka na Vinkovačkoj.
U sklopu tog projekta predviđeno je i rušenje nadvožnjaka preko Vinkovačke ulice nakon čega slijedi izgradnja novog, nešto višeg, četverotračnog nadvožnjaka. Zbog tih radova na snazi je i privremena regulacija prometa, a kako izbjeći gužve pogledajte OVDJE.
Osim toga kako bi stanovnicima Industrijske četvrti donekle bilo olakšano kretanje u zoni radova izgrađena je nova staza neposredno uz nadvožnjak na Vinkovačkoj.

Prema informacijama koje imamo predviđeno vrijeme radova na ovoj dionici je godinu dana, a do tada nam nema druge nego biti strpljiv i koristiti alternativne pravce. Radove izvodi Osijek Koteks.
Danas smo obišli gradilište i provjerili kako napreduju radovi na rekonstrukciji nadvožnjaka. Pogledajte foto galeriju.





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Old October 23rd, 2013, 08:27 PM   #4973
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 08:27 PM   #4974
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 08:40 PM   #4975
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As of the Sava bridges (pl.), Direction Banja Luka there is a motorway on the Bosnian side, however Croatia is not interested too much in building connection road to Croatian A3 and the bridge either. So I am not sure about homework you were talking about.
I agree that there should be built an 2x2 expressway from the border to the Okučani exit at A3, because there should be road of such quality between the two 4-lane motorways, but also the existing state road D5 is not so bad at the moment with current AADT which is around 3500. It's straight, large and passes through only one village. https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Oku%C...,338.9,,0,7.41
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Old October 24th, 2013, 12:09 AM   #4976
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I agree that there should be built an 2x2 expressway from the border to the Okučani exit at A3, because there should be road of such quality between the two 4-lane motorways, but also the existing state road D5 is not so bad at the moment with current AADT which is around 3500. It's straight, large and passes through only one village. https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Oku%C...,338.9,,0,7.41
It is not existing road which makes problems, but the fact that Croatia is not interested in building a new bridge which shoud connect existing motorway in BiH with Croatia and A3 bypassing problematic old bridge and drive trough villages and town on Bosnian side.

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Old October 24th, 2013, 02:02 AM   #4977
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e existing state road D5 is not so bad at the moment with current AADT which is around 3500. It's straight, large and passes through only one village.

Fair point, that is far too low for a motorway and more so given the quality of the existing road.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 10:20 AM   #4978
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Fair point, that is far too low for a motorway and more so given the quality of the existing road.
As already mentioned the road is not the problem, the bridge is.

existing bridge



... and the border crossing. Since Croatia entered EU Gradiska border crossing is the only border crossing where you can export animals and animal products from Bosnia to EU and this border crossing is too small to accommodate all the traffic, so Bosnian economy suffers. You should know that if you want to got to west, where 80% of Bosnian export goes you need to do it trough Croatia. New border crossing on the same location is impossible to build because existing bridge is in the city centre and there is no space. For that reason it is decided between BiH and Croatia to build new bridge and new connection. BiH has since built motorway from Banja Luka to Gradiska (7km from city direction west) and secured half of the money necessary for the new bridge. However Croatia "Didn't do it's homework" and it is obviously not interested to build this connection and in the same time they keep complaining about Slovenians do not want to build yet another motorway to Croatia at Gruskovje, although connecting road is enough to accommodate all traffic and there rare no villages.

Pictures to illustrate the problem
Border crossing Bosnian side


google map to illustrate position of the bridge and crossing inside of the town.

Position of the new motorway on Bosnian side.

Another problem is, in order to reach existing border crossing from the motorway you need to drive all the time trough villages on very narrow road.





Funny map, but it is only to get impression where Gradiska is located and how it is a bad thing for Bosnia that all traffic has to go trough local road and old bridge.

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Old October 24th, 2013, 02:25 PM   #4979
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Everything you described above - and you're absolute right about it - is in fact a problem of BiH and not of Croatia. Of course, Croatia is currently not interested in building the connection and the bridge to the border: There's no money and the pan-european corridors are the priority.

You can easily see, that Croatia is having big problems in financing its motorway plans, just look at A7 and A1. And now explain the Croatian people that there's money for building a bridge and a motorway/expressway to Croatia which has nearly zero meaning for Crotia but there's no money to expand the A1 towards Dubrovnik... That's the whole problem about it... And of course, the Croatian government "likes" the Croats in southern BiH more than the Serbs in northern BiH. That's the other side of the story...
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Old October 24th, 2013, 02:48 PM   #4980
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I would think the EU/EBRD would eventually fund that particular bridge by 100% and that there would be no liability for Croatia whatsoever. Maybe the project is actually parked by the EU as a carrot for 'good behaviour' in future.
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