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Old October 24th, 2013, 03:14 PM   #4981
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I would think the EU/EBRD would eventually fund that particular bridge by 100% and that there would be no liability for Croatia whatsoever. Maybe the project is actually parked by the EU as a carrot for 'good behaviour' in future.
eventually maybe will EU fund Croatian 50%, because BiH has already allocated money for the project.
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Everything you described above - and you're absolute right about it - is in fact a problem of BiH and not of Croatia. Of course, Croatia is currently not interested in building the connection and the bridge to the border: There's no money and the pan-european corridors are the priority.
off course it is bigger problem for BiH, however you have to know that Croatia's export in Bosnia is ~2 billion $ and 500.000 Croatian citizens live in BiH, so it is not that simple as you may think.

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You can easily see, that Croatia is having big problems in financing its motorway plans, just look at A7 and A1. And now explain the Croatian people that there's money for building a bridge and a motorway/expressway to Croatia which has nearly zero meaning for Crotia but there's no money to expand the A1 towards Dubrovnik... That's the whole problem about it...
it doesnt have zero meaning to Croatia, economy of Croatia and Bosnia are intertwined.
And if you would look like that international connectiuon would never been built. Why would than Austria build connections toward Budapest, Maribor and Ljubljana? Domestic traffic on those routes are very low.

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And of course, the Croatian government "likes" the Croats in southern BiH more than the Serbs in northern BiH. That's the other side of the story...
Not only Serbs are using this crossing, that is stupid argument.

Here is the map, having to border crossing for animal products on 1000km border and one crossing is not functional at all is very bad for Bosnian weak economy, off course EU doesn't care why would they.


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Old October 24th, 2013, 04:25 PM   #4982
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Croatia's export in Bosnia is ~2 billion $ and 500.000 Croatian citizens live in BiH, so it is not that simple as you may think.
I know that, it's something between 10 and 15% afair of all exports. Nonetheless, currently it's not a problem of Croatia since Croatian goods can flow to BiH without problems...

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it doesnt have zero meaning to Croatia, economy of Croatia and Bosnia are intertwined.
Yeah, but not in that great manner that they tied together with no limit.

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And if you would look like that international connectiuon would never been built. Why would than Austria build connections toward Budapest, Maribor and Ljubljana? Domestic traffic on those routes are very low.
It's not about domestic traffic, it's about traffic in general. And traffic on D5 is low, so no need for that new motorway on Croatian side. Countries in general don't expand their networks towards borders where it's not needed. Just have a look at the German-Czech border back before the Iron Curtain falls. There was no good road connection on neither side of the border. Then traffic increased and the roads where built...

That's also a point where the Pan-European Corridors come into action: The EU wants the countries to build a decent connection for example to boost the ecomony. Connections which wouldn't be built without some kind of pressure (because it's sometimes useless for the building countries). An example is Croatian A5 to Hungary. This wouldn't be built if it's not a corridor. At least not now... If it makes sense? Another story

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Not only Serbs are using this crossing, that is stupid argument.
Of course it's stupid! The whole ethnic thing on Balkan is stupid...

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Here is the map, having to border crossing for animal products on 1000km border and one crossing is not functional at all is very bad for Bosnian weak economy, off course EU doesn't care why would they.
And Croatia doesn't care neither. Why should they?
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Old October 24th, 2013, 05:10 PM   #4983
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I know that, it's something between 10 and 15% afair of all exports. Nonetheless, currently it's not a problem of Croatia since Croatian goods can flow to BiH without problems...?
not really, Croats have the same problems, because Croats use the same bridge and the same crossing.
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Yeah, but not in that great manner that they tied together with no limit.
well during the war there was almost no economy at all, do we have to strive to that? We are talking here about improving things not destroying.
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It's not about domestic traffic, it's about traffic in general. And traffic on D5 is low, so no need for that new motorway on Croatian side. Countries in general don't expand their networks towards borders where it's not needed. Just have a look at the German-Czech border back before the Iron Curtain falls. There was no good road connection on neither side of the border. Then traffic increased and the roads where built...
There is no need for motorway, there is a need for bridge. The traffic volume on road leading toward eastern/southern neighbours of Austria was low, however Austria built roads before the volume increased.
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That's also a point where the Pan-European Corridors come into action: The EU wants the countries to build a decent connection for example to boost the ecomony. Connections which wouldn't be built without some kind of pressure (because it's sometimes useless for the building countries). An example is Croatian A5 to Hungary. This wouldn't be built if it's not a corridor. At least not now... If it makes sense? Another story
I am not sure whither EU has the same policy when Bosnia comes in the action.

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Of course it's stupid! The whole ethnic thing on Balkan is stupid...
And we souldnt support it.
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And Croatia doesn't care neither. Why should they?
Becuase they have interest in stronger Bosnian economy, because, they have interest in their stronger economy, because 500k their citizen live in Bosnia.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 05:16 PM   #4984
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The entire history of the EU is that it was founded so that economic interdependence on each other would stop Germany and France going to war again and trashing the continent.

This is, of course, equally true in other parts of Europe.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 06:13 PM   #4985
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at the same time interdependence of Croatia and Bosnia should be lowered, I dont get it.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 06:17 PM   #4986
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It is more important for Bosnia/EU than for Croatia itself all the same.
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Old October 24th, 2013, 10:15 PM   #4987
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Chief engineer of HAC says A1 section Vrgorac - Ploče should be opened by November 15th.
+ D425 expressway to Port of Ploče



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Old October 31st, 2013, 01:18 PM   #4988
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UPDATE, highway A1, section Vrgorac-Ploče


Mali update sa gradilišta Vrgorac-Ploče, AC i BC... za početak malo već izgrađene BC... gdje završava 2+2 i prelazi u 1+1, kod budućeg čvora Nikolac...





...malo sjevernije kod budućeg odmorišta "Ploče" koje je "ukopano" u sred bivšeg brda...







... pravac između odmorišta i tunela Karamatići iz daljine...



... južni ulaz u tunel Karamatići...



... poviše sjevernog izlaza, vide se radovi gdje je dosad završavala BC i spajala se na lokalnu cestu, tu se na žalost neće srediti čvor nego se uređiva nastavak BC prema naplatnima, par stotina metara iza...



... lokalna cesta koja je bila nastavak izgrađene BC, taj dio više neće biti u f-ji...

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Old October 31st, 2013, 01:19 PM   #4989
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... pogled s visine, spoj starog korištenog dijela BC prema naplatnima ...



još jedna...



... naplatne Karamatići...



... dalje...





... poviše Kobiljače, južni ulaz u posljednju tunel BC prije spoja sa AC...







... evo nas s "druge strane" tunela kod čvora Ploče ...



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Old October 31st, 2013, 01:19 PM   #4990
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... čvor Ploče...







... nadvožnjak preko AC prema GP crveni grm...



... pogled s nadvožnjaka prema jugu, vidi se čvor Ploče...



... i prema sjeveru...







... sad smo južnije od čvora Ploče, okret prema jugu...



... i prema sjeveru, čvor Ploče ...



... toliko za sada...
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Old October 31st, 2013, 11:19 PM   #4991
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When will we see the signage on this new Motorway strech?
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Old November 1st, 2013, 03:49 AM   #4992
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Who the hell would know that, and stop asking questions all the time.
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Old November 1st, 2013, 12:30 PM   #4993
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No words, this is absolutely impressing. Cant wait do drive here..

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Old November 3rd, 2013, 02:56 AM   #4995
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BC to Ploče will have a lot of traffic due to extension of A1 to Dubrovnik, but will it still be worth after that?

Btw, how is duplicating of BC Dugopolje - Split going on?
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Old November 3rd, 2013, 12:46 PM   #4996
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BC to Ploče will have a lot of traffic due to extension of A1 to Dubrovnik, but will it still be worth after that?

I don't think it will have much traffic for a long long time. At least until economy recovers in this region.



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Btw, how is duplicating of BC Dugopolje - Split going on?
In February should be finished.
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When will we see the signage on this new Motorway strech?
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Old November 3rd, 2013, 06:14 PM   #4998
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Old November 4th, 2013, 02:50 AM   #4999
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No road number and E65 on sign to Ploče/Dubrovnik? Maybe because it's only temporary...
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No road number and E65 on sign to Ploče/Dubrovnik? Maybe because it's only temporary...
On the blue sign there should stay this:

because it's the official and permanent name of that road. Only the Dubrovnik may be considered temporary, but it will stay like this for another 20-30 years...

On the other hand, it's interesting that Ploče exit is signed as an interchange, although it's an exit (trumpet-style). In Croatia only motorway-to-motorway interchanges are signed with that sign, with the exception of Sv. Helena interchange (but it will eventually become motorway-to-motorway junction: A4/A12). For example, Zaprešić is signed as an exit, although it's an cloverleaf interchange to a 4-lane state road and also Dugopolje is signed as an exit, which is an exit to a 4-lane expressway, exactly like Ploče
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