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Old January 10th, 2014, 03:41 PM   #5181
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Google Earth 2013 imagery suggests they are currently not building any connecting roads on either side. It's really a bridge to nowhere, and from nowhere, it seems.

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Old January 10th, 2014, 07:12 PM   #5182
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Croatia is expert for building bridges between nowhere and ... nowhere.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 08:00 PM   #5183
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The connection to existing A5 is obvious, the northen end leaves me perplexed.
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Old January 11th, 2014, 10:31 PM   #5184
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With the recent opening of the A1-A10 motorways east of Vrgorac, what is the current route of E65 between Vrgorac in Croatia and Neum in BiH?

Does E73 now use any of the motorways in that region of Croatia?
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Old January 12th, 2014, 12:02 PM   #5185
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With the recent opening of the A1-A10 motorways east of Vrgorac, what is the current route of E65 between Vrgorac in Croatia and Neum in BiH?

Does E73 now use any of the motorways in that region of Croatia?
A10 is E73:

photo by: eMetkovic.com

But I really don't know for E65, because on the Ploče interchange there's the E65 designation following A1 and A10 towards BIH, and not continuing to the D425 expressway and further south to D8 and Ploče, Neum, Dubrovnik

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Old January 12th, 2014, 07:24 PM   #5186
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With the recent opening of the A1-A10 motorways east of Vrgorac, what is the current route of E65 between Vrgorac in Croatia and Neum in BiH?
follow A1 till the end (intersection which Polezan has just posted). from there follow the blue signe to Ploče/Dubrovnik (expressway D425), and at Ploče take D8 further to the south.
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Does E73 now use any of the motorways in that region of Croatia?
it should A10 and D425. probably not signed properly.
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Old January 13th, 2014, 01:05 AM   #5187
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follow A1 till the end (intersection which Polezan has just posted). from there follow the blue signe to Ploče/Dubrovnik (expressway D425), and at Ploče take D8 further to the south.
That's not right. You can see on the pics of Puležan that A1 doesn't end at Ploce interchange and that both A1 and E65 lead further south. Because A1 ends between Ploce interchange and exit Novo Sela, the signing is not extended to D62 but will be applied to the A1 when it's built further south.

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it should A10 and D425. probably not signed properly.
A10 ist signed properly. But I guess E73 will be the southern extension of A1 from A10 interchange towards Opuzen. Therefore it's not signed yet.

But it's a bit odd that D425 isn't signed anywhere at all.
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Old January 13th, 2014, 01:12 PM   #5188
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A5 - Drava bridge
Now I see why this bridge is so expensive - both pylons will be really tall and massive and even bridge itself appears to be very long. Are there some technical data available for that bridge?
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Old January 13th, 2014, 04:25 PM   #5189
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The main span of the bridge is only about 200 - 250 m. You don't need a large cable-stayed type bridge for that. The main span could even be a regular box girder bridge.

Politicians were likely enticed to support a "signature span" in the middle of nowhere.
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Old January 13th, 2014, 07:17 PM   #5190
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Hi guys! Is there any hope to see in the near future A7 section Križišče-Žuta Lokva?
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Old January 13th, 2014, 08:04 PM   #5191
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How much money should be there for building the A1 to the Pelješac bridge?
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Old January 13th, 2014, 11:40 PM   #5192
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Now I see why this bridge is so expensive - both pylons will be really tall and massive and even bridge itself appears to be very long. Are there some technical data available for that bridge?
They've chosen pretty bad position for crossing the river (large width, muddy soil...) and because of that the bridge is so long (actually, the main span isn't that big, but the acces viaducts are) for flooding reasons.

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Hi guys! Is there any hope to see in the near future A7 section Križišče-Žuta Lokva?
No. Not even the Vratnik tunnel as the potential first stage, which would be very useful to avoid the serpentines on the most curvy section.
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Old January 16th, 2014, 12:04 AM   #5193
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How much money should be there for building the A1 to the Pelješac bridge?
It's pretty pointless talking about this right now, because the bridge is by no means certain.

Croatia obviously doesn't have the money to build the A1 towards Dubrovnik anyway. If they build the bridge and the A1 to the bridge, then they're going to come under immense pressure to finish the A1 down to Dubrovnik. The EU has more or less made it clear that they don't see it as a priority, so they won't be able to access funding there.

I still think we'll see Neum bypassed by a transit road in the end. Croatia has deliberately left the end of the A1 in a place where it can go through Neum or otherwise - and I think it will stay there for the foreseeable future.
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Old January 16th, 2014, 10:22 PM   #5194
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But why have the A1 have no priority? ? Its part of the adratic ionic motorway to Greece
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Old January 17th, 2014, 12:59 AM   #5195
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It's not a Pan-European Corridor, that's the problem getting EU funds. And Croatia itself has currently no money for that project.
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Old January 17th, 2014, 01:28 AM   #5196
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I believe he meant priority in the interchange, not priority in construction (A10 is very short anyway). D425 is just a temporary main road for Dubrovnik, but OpenStreetMap shows a similar future interchange between A1 and A10 - priority for A10.
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Old January 18th, 2014, 12:42 AM   #5197
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What do you mean? A10 is finished and the A1 to the future interchange also
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Old January 18th, 2014, 03:25 AM   #5198
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It will be a TOTSO interchange (turn off to stay on). You'll have to turn right to stay on A1 instead of continuing straight forward.
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Old January 18th, 2014, 10:31 AM   #5199
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I still think we'll see Neum bypassed by a transit road in the end. Croatia has deliberately left the end of the A1 in a place where it can go through Neum or otherwise - and I think it will stay there for the foreseeable future.
Another question, will this happen before or after BiH joining the EU (and further on the Schengen agreement)? Or could the transit road be fenced, with no bureaucracy for inter-Croatian traffic but no access to BiH? Wouldn't that be a pity...
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Old January 18th, 2014, 12:30 PM   #5200
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Another question, will this happen before or after BiH joining the EU (and further on the Schengen agreement)? Or could the transit road be fenced, with no bureaucracy for inter-Croatian traffic but no access to BiH? Wouldn't that be a pity...
Let's do some math.

Serbian politicians claim nowadays that their country can do the negotiation process in four years, and they need additional two years to enter the EU, so six years.
Bosnia and Herzegovina didn't do the first step: to make a formal bid to enter the EU, where Serbia made this step at the end of 2009. So, four more years.
If BiH is in position to technically apply for entering EU today, in an optimistic scenario it will enter the EU not before the year 2024.

Really, B&H is not in position to apply today because of "Sejdić & Finci v. Bosnia & Herzegovina" case (Wikipedia). If they apply, they risk a yearly long freezing of their bid. Conclusively, it would be fair to say that B&H would enter EU in year 2030 at earliest.

Position of B&H politicians about the Neum is somewhat confused, but they all mutually agree that B&H should keep some kind of control of this "fenced" corridor, what EU cannot accept. Finally, EU consultants made a study about connecting the Dubrovnik exclave with the rest of EU a few months ago where they stated that a fully fenced and surveillance-made corridor will cost about two thirds of the price of Pelješac bridge.

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