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Old July 24th, 2014, 07:19 PM   #5461
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That will be a meaningful corridor in the next century maybe.
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Old July 24th, 2014, 08:39 PM   #5462
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Old July 24th, 2014, 09:07 PM   #5463
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That will be a meaningful corridor in the next century maybe.
neah. we are listening that for decades already. if it way the truth, existing D7/A5 would already have 10x higher amounts of traffic instead of this misery.
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Old July 25th, 2014, 12:26 AM   #5464
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I think that A5 is a waste of money .
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Old July 25th, 2014, 04:26 AM   #5465
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They should do at least something to extend A1 to Dubrovnik. Left or right.
There's nothing stopping Croatia from at least building the sections of A1 that would be built with or without a settlement with respect to Neum. Even getting the A1 built from Dubrovnik Airport to Zaton Doli would make a huge difference, as well as building the A1 to reach the Neretva.

But like I've said countless times, Croatia is using the excuse of the bridge to avoid building the huge amount of infrastructure that would also be needed. Where's Croatia going to get the money to build the A1 all the way through to Dubrovnik and beyond?

Building the bridge at Gradiska is easy - it's a short bit of A3 and a bridge that will be funded by the EU anyway. Likewise the A10 connection to Bosnia - easy, simple and looks good.

As for the A5, I look forward to it being completed. It's a dream to drive through Hungary, Croatia, Bosnia and back into Croatia all on motorways...
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Old July 25th, 2014, 02:31 PM   #5466
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Where's Croatia going to get the money to build the A1 all the way through to Dubrovnik and beyond?
Well, they managed to build over 1200 kilometers of motorway in the past, so I don't see the big issue here.
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Old July 25th, 2014, 10:35 PM   #5467
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Are you serious or ironic about that?
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Old July 26th, 2014, 12:29 AM   #5468
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Are you serious or ironic about that?
In theory, it should be quite simple - even without a Neum settlement, building the A1 from Zaton Doli to Dubrovnik Airport should be possible.

But - as I understand it - the cost would be far beyond anything that Croatia could afford, and the tolls would never make up for it. The route would see barely any traffic in winter, especially as both Croatian and Montenegrin tourist industries have such short seasons. I was shocked to see how quiet Croatia was at the start of May last year.
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Old July 26th, 2014, 01:34 AM   #5469
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Croatia and Hungary could easily build the section from Osijek north to to east of Pecs in Hungary as Half Profile and slap an M designation on it, they have previous for building perfectly adequate half profile motorways and upgrading them later when the traffic justifies it. Parts of the Budapest - Zagreb motorway are half profile and one part is even up for an upgrade on the Hungarian side now that traffic justifies it.

In fact Croatian and Hungarian practices are up there with best of Europe when it comes to building the 'right road' for the job. Other EU countries should look at what Croatia and Hungary do right in that respect!!!

Both Croatia and Hungary have excellent motorway networks, all things considered, especially Croatia given the terrain difficulties involved. I have said on this thread that building a network that is adequate for Croatian summer traffic would be very costly and would only deliver a noticeable difference for 2 months of the year. Meanwhile Croatia would pay dearly for it for the other 10 months of the year.
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Old July 26th, 2014, 10:59 AM   #5470
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Parts of the Budapest - Zagreb motorway are half profile and one part is even up for an upgrade on the Hungarian side now that traffic justifies it.
Budapest-Zagreb is a full profile motorway all the way.
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Old July 26th, 2014, 03:12 PM   #5471
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Sorry, I meant Budapest - Ljubljana didn't I .
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Old July 26th, 2014, 04:21 PM   #5472
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Hungarian M70, to be precise.
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Old July 26th, 2014, 04:42 PM   #5473
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M70: the big mystery of hungarian motorway constructors. Hopefully it will be put out of its 2x1 misery soon (the parts of it which are not full profile already )
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Old July 26th, 2014, 05:10 PM   #5474
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M70: the big mystery of hungarian motorway constructors.
Probably because our A5 wasn't even U/C yet, and it was first planned for completion in 2013, i.e. 9 years after M70.
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the same thing goes for M15 at the other side of the country
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Old July 26th, 2014, 08:38 PM   #5476
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...and M2...
Basically, M15 an M2 should be full profile for years, regarding M70 I`m not sure but I think that half profile is enough at this moment.
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Old July 26th, 2014, 09:21 PM   #5477
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M70 is a very transit road, with most traffic being Romanians (and Hungarians) driving up to 3,000 km or more from Romania to Italy, Spain or Portugal, with this being the only 2-lane road between almost Romania and Portugal (or almost Ukraine and Portugal), that's why it would be better to be a motorway. Truck traffic is also quite heavy.

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M70 is a very transit road, with most traffic being Romanians (and Hungarians) driving up to 3,000 km or more from Romania to Italy, Spain or Portugal, with this being the only 2-lane road between almost Romania and Portugal (or almost Ukraine and Portugal), that's why it would be better to be a motorway. Truck traffic is also quite heavy.

Sorry for OT, Croats.
it is not completely off topic. namely, since our joining to EU i have noticed quite lot of RO lorries at bypass of my city (what means they are using route Barcs - Virovitica - Bjelovar - Zagreb and further to Italy. since H has introduced high tolls for lorries, and fuel was significantly cheaper in one moment comparing to surrounding countries, i have once calculated that RO lorry can spare more than 100€ per direction using that route (refueling in HR included)
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it is not completely off topic. namely, since our joining to EU i have noticed quite lot of RO lorries at bypass of my city (what means they are using route Barcs - Virovitica - Bjelovar - Zagreb and further to Italy. since H has introduced high tolls for lorries, and fuel was significantly cheaper in one moment comparing to surrounding countries, i have once calculated that RO lorry can spare more than 100€ per direction using that route (refueling in HR included)
Is there any form of vignette for lorries in Croatia?

(btw, fuel is much cheaper in Croatia again than in Austria, like you said.)
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Is there any form of vignette for lorries in Croatia?

(btw, fuel is much cheaper in Croatia again than in Austria, like you said.)
no, there is not. mostly lorries use ENC because you get 28% gratis amount (at least i get it on 1st category, i guess the same worths for 3rd and 4th).
before appereance of electronic toll there was popular Smart Card among lorries, but i think it is not supported anymore.

unfortunately, there is absolutely no any tolls at state roads for lorries in HR. the only restriction is that you may not use them in transiting the country (except if you prove it by destination on CMR)
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