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Old August 21st, 2014, 12:29 AM   #5541
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D5 (state road - "D"), because it'll be built in 2x2 expressway standard, and expressways in HR doesn't have special numbers like motorways.
Is this for sure that there will be 2x2? Won't be 1x1 expressway? What about bridge?
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Old August 21st, 2014, 01:02 AM   #5542
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Is this for sure that there will be 2x2? Won't be 1x1 expressway? What about bridge?
The bridge itself will be in a full-motorway profile. The expressway from the bridge until Okučani interchange will be 4-lane:

source: http://www.radiong.hr/?d=1&id=13182



It's actually part of a bigger project: a 2-lane expressway which is intended to replace the existing D5, from H to BIH border, on E661 route (Balaton-Barcs-Virovitica-Daruvar-Pakrac-Lipik-Okučani-Banja Luka).
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Old August 21st, 2014, 08:03 PM   #5543
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It's actually part of a bigger project: a 2-lane expressway which is intended to replace the existing D5, from H to BIH border, on E661 route (Balaton-Barcs-Virovitica-Daruvar-Pakrac-Lipik-Okučani-Banja Luka).
What's the AADT on the current D5. Will it get a second (empty) main road like the A5?
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Old August 21st, 2014, 08:07 PM   #5544
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They don't reserved any space for a border checkpoint on E661 near Gradiška (Bosnian side). Do they plan a joint border post?
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Old August 21st, 2014, 08:16 PM   #5545
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As far as I know a separate checkpoint is planned
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Old August 21st, 2014, 09:16 PM   #5546
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What's the AADT on the current D5. Will it get a second (empty) main road like the A5?
No, it won't even be a 4-lane road, just an ordinary 2-lane road without at-level crossings. But again, it's just a plan in Croatian traffic infrastructure strategy, so it won't be in the planning stage soon

On the existing D5 the ASDT and AADT in 2013 was as follows:
- Terezino Polje (border crossing) - 1071, 760
- Virovitica (south) - 1580, 1296
- Grubišno Polje - 3011, 2917
- Lipik - 5018, 4722
- Okučani - 3918, 3592
- Stara Gradiška (border crossing) - 4140, 3470.

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Old August 22nd, 2014, 06:19 PM   #5547
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As far as I know a separate checkpoint is planned


Haven't they learnt anything from the success of Licko Petrovo Selo?

But maybe I can forgive them - isn't Gradiska/Stara Gradiska one of the two 'full service' border crossings where anything can be exported/imported?
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 08:41 PM   #5548
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It is. Calling it "full service", however, does sound awkward considering the daily situation at that border crossing. Who's been there knows what I mean ;-)
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Old August 25th, 2014, 10:54 AM   #5549
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The bridge itself will be in a full-motorway profile. The expressway from the bridge until Okučani interchange will be 4-lane:

source: http://www.radiong.hr/?d=1&id=13182



It's actually part of a bigger project: a 2-lane expressway which is intended to replace the existing D5, from H to BIH border, on E661 route (Balaton-Barcs-Virovitica-Daruvar-Pakrac-Lipik-Okučani-Banja Luka).
Do you happen to have more information about this project? When is construction scheduled to start?
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Old August 25th, 2014, 01:05 PM   #5550
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Croatian Prime Minister Zoran Milanović will meet his Bosnian, Montenegrin and Albanian counterparts today at Cavtat and negotiate about future projects in the region, among others the Adriatic-Ionian motorway. (Source: HRT HR1 radio news)

I doubt that they will agree on a concrete plan because all these countries lack the money to build this motorway. I suppose they will just delay construction again, but let's wait and see what happens.
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Old August 25th, 2014, 02:48 PM   #5551
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I don't think that Montenegro is going to build Adriatic motorway.They allready have problems with Bar-Boljare.
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Old August 25th, 2014, 09:43 PM   #5552
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Do you happen to have more information about this project? When is construction scheduled to start?
Unfortunately, there's no informations and I can't find the map showing planned motorways and expressways network (including single-carriageway expressways intended to replace the existing highways/"magistrale" D1, D5...) I know the map was posted somewhere on the forum (on this thread or on croatian one) few years ago...

But again, it was just a really long-term plan (in the next 20-30-50 years) to build new highways (magistrale) to replace those which are inadequate (old, curvy, too narrow...), and some of those was D1 on Karlovac-Slunj-Korenica-Udbina section (that's why the TOTSO at D1/D522 intersection was built, so D1 diverges from A1 in Karlovac, and the intended/planned end of this new single-lane expressway/magistrala is on Gornja Ploča exit at A1 again.

Maybe other forumers would have more informations or maps/plans...
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Old August 25th, 2014, 11:43 PM   #5553
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I don't think that Montenegro is going to build Adriatic motorway.They allready have problems with Bar-Boljare.
I think we might see bypasses of Tivat and Budva built to 2x2 standard. The rest? Forget it...

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But again, it was just a really long-term plan (in the next 20-30-50 years) to build new highways (magistrale) to replace those which are inadequate (old, curvy, too narrow...), and some of those was D1 on Karlovac-Slunj-Korenica-Udbina section (that's why the TOTSO at D1/D522 intersection was built, so D1 diverges from A1 in Karlovac, and the intended/planned end of this new single-lane expressway/magistrala is on Gornja Ploča exit at A1 again.
That explains a lot to me, thank you! I wondered what was going on with the D522 - it looked ridiculously overengineered, but now you've said that, it makes perfect sense.
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Old August 26th, 2014, 11:52 AM   #5554
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Alright, bad news coming up...

http://www.jutarnji.hr/ekskluzivno--...vnika/1215534/

The Prime Ministers of Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro and Albania met yesterday in Cavtat. They came to the conclusion that the Adriatic-Ionian highway will not be built via Dubrovnik, but rather via Počitelj (BiH) and Trebinje (BiH) to Montenegro. Croatia does plan to build the Pelješki most (Pelješac bridge) in order to circumvent Neum. The new plan is to build a semi-expressway (widen D8 at some places and build village bypasses wherever it is possible).

While Croatia could still build the highway to Dubrovnik on their own territory, they would have to do it with their own money. But that's not going to happen anytime soon. I'm afraid they won't even do the widening or any improvements on the existing D8 state road, because Croatia has no money.

The only good thing is that transit to MNE and AL will no longer go via the D8 as soon as the motorway through BiH is finished (but that will take a long time, as we know).
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Thats bad bad news. When will this motorway be built?
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Old August 26th, 2014, 01:11 PM   #5556
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Thats bad bad news. When will this motorway be built?
In 2099 if they collect enough money till then.
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Then it means the motorway will follow the A1 to Pocetj and then goes via Trebinje to Montenegro right?
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Old August 26th, 2014, 02:07 PM   #5558
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Alright, bad news coming up...

http://www.jutarnji.hr/ekskluzivno--...vnika/1215534/

The Prime Ministers of Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro and Albania met yesterday in Cavtat. They came to the conclusion that the Adriatic-Ionian highway will not be built via Dubrovnik, but rather via Počitelj (BiH) and Trebinje (BiH) to Montenegro. Croatia does plan to build the Pelješki most (Pelješac bridge) in order to circumvent Neum. The new plan is to build a semi-expressway (widen D8 at some places and build village bypasses wherever it is possible).

While Croatia could still build the highway to Dubrovnik on their own territory, they would have to do it with their own money. But that's not going to happen anytime soon. I'm afraid they won't even do the widening or any improvements on the existing D8 state road, because Croatia has no money.

The only good thing is that transit to MNE and AL will no longer go via the D8 as soon as the motorway through BiH is finished (but that will take a long time, as we know).
Its very sad that the motorway dont go through neum, but dont worry, they will build a motorway that goes to dubrovnik, they dont have any choice
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I find they need an exit on the motorway for Neum cause that is also a touristic place.
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Old August 26th, 2014, 03:19 PM   #5560
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Is this new alignment a priority for Bosnia? I appreciate the fact that it would be cheaper than a route directly via Dubrovnik, but if Bosnia can't find funding to build it, then it won't become a reality until very very far into the future. The Sarajevo - Mostar corridor is much more important for domestic traffic in Bosnia.
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