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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:27 PM   #5641
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So that means for example if i want to go from Split to Dubrovnik i don't have to go throught BiH?
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Old December 18th, 2014, 03:00 AM   #5642
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Did works for Peliesac bridge start few years ago before being suddenly interrupted?
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Old December 18th, 2014, 03:01 AM   #5643
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It's interesting that the extensions of A1 towards Dubrovnik is still in the document, so it's not officially killed although there was the statement that Dubrovnik should be served by a motorway in BiH several months ago.

However, there is almost no money planned for anything south of the current end of A1 until 2016 so we most likely won't see any progress there before 2016. That whole project depends most likely also on the the approval of EU money for Peljesac bridge. If it's really build until 2019, you will need a better link of the bridge to current A1, e.g. a motorway ending right where the expressway over the bridge will begin.

Could also be the shortcut of D425 to D8 with Neretva bridge and a possible extension of that expressway to the bridge: http://dubrovniknet.hr/novost.php?id=25592#!prettyPhoto But construction of that part also won't start before 2016.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 03:03 AM   #5644
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Did works for Peliesac bridge start few years ago before being suddenly interrupted?
Something like site preparation with an election coming up, if I recall. Once the election was over, then! And the Bosnians kicked up over Neum.

As Neum is so small and the roads into it are so crap from Mostar I feel the bridge could be built much cheaper ( lower) if the Budapest - Sarajevo motorway were completed.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 04:18 PM   #5645
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Frankly speaking, what is the history of this notable border at Neum. I have heard it was a gift from Tito to BiH. Another explanation is that once Dubrovnik was an empire, they simply gave the land to BiH so enemies first had to pass their territory before entering Dubrovnik..

Quite funny.
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Old December 18th, 2014, 05:54 PM   #5646
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Here's the story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neum#History

It was part of the Ottoman Empire and a buffer between Ragusa (Dubrovnik) and Venice (which controlled Dalmatia).
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Old December 18th, 2014, 06:28 PM   #5647
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Old December 18th, 2014, 07:35 PM   #5649
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Something like site preparation with an election coming up, if I recall. Once the election was over, then! And the Bosnians kicked up over Neum.

As Neum is so small and the roads into it are so crap from Mostar I feel the bridge could be built much cheaper ( lower) if the Budapest - Sarajevo motorway were completed.

Neum should be a business opportunity, both BiH and Croatia could gain from.


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Frankly speaking, what is the history of this notable border at Neum. I have heard it was a gift from Tito to BiH. Another explanation is that once Dubrovnik was an empire, they simply gave the land to BiH so enemies first had to pass their territory before entering Dubrovnik..

Quite funny.
Dubrovnik wasn't an empire, it was the Republic of Ragusa, rival of the Republic of Venice (the latter controlled the Dalmatian coast north of Porto Tolero and some exclaves in Montenegro, like Perasto where few Italians are still living).
Neum corridor was estabilished in 1699 as buffer zone between Venice and Ragusa.
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in which way? i don't see any prosperity for Croatia from that place.
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Rojsman, thank you very much for beautiful pictures of completed D1 expw from Solin to Dugopolje. Now we can say that there is a motorway/expressway/divided highway almost up to the Split ferry port.
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- A5 bridge over Drava river is ongoing, since 2nd half of 2011, expected to be finished at the end of 2015.
- A5 motorway section from Osijek to the Drava bridge will be constructed starting in 2015 in full profile
- A5 motorway section from the north side of the bridge to Beli Manastir (1st phase) will begin in 2015, depending on the financial situation, and then be finished as expected, as will the 2nd part from Beli Manastir to the Hungarian border. The section Čeminac-Osijek will be opened in 2016 in half profile.
This section will not be built in full profile, but only in 2x1 for now.
If I got it right, the A5 will feature 4 lanes from Osijek to north of the Drava bridge and 2 lanes up to Ceminac. Works south and north of the bridge will begin in 2015. It's announced to be opened in 2016, isn't it?

Works b/n Ceminac and Beli Manastir will also commence in 2015, won't they? What does "be finshed as expected" mean?
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Old December 21st, 2014, 10:28 AM   #5654
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So that means for example if i want to go from Split to Dubrovnik i don't have to go throught BiH?
That is already possible: take the ferry in Ploče to Pelješac.
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If I got it right, the A5 will feature 4 lanes from Osijek to north of the Drava bridge and 2 lanes up to Ceminac. Works south and north of the bridge will begin in 2015. It's announced to be opened in 2016, isn't it?

Works b/n Ceminac and Beli Manastir will also commence in 2015, won't they? What does "be finshed as expected" mean?
yes, you've got it well.
south of the bridge there is not much to work on. there is 2 km gap between current motorway end (exit Osijek) and point of the beginning of the works (near D34 road).
southern beginning point of the bridge is river Karašica, just south of Drava. on Google Earth you can nicely see the whole main bridge construction (northern point is at northern Drava embankment)
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Old December 21st, 2014, 11:49 AM   #5656
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I'm surprised the A1 extension south is still on the cards. But it's not just about building the bridge, it's also about the access roads. Ston (on Pelješac) won't cope with vast amounts of tourist traffic going through it, and the A1 will need to be extended to meet the bridge. I still think the best si/tuation right now is to try and get the A1 built from Dubrovnik Airport towards Neum - if they can reach the D8/D414 junction, then they can worry about the Neum bypass.
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Old December 21st, 2014, 03:44 PM   #5657
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That is already possible: take the ferry in Ploče to Pelješac.
It's slower and more expensive than driving through BiH. Except maybe for trucks, since they would skip custom hassles.
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Old December 23rd, 2014, 08:55 PM   #5658
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That is already possible: take the ferry in Ploče to Pelješac.
Or drive through Serbia and Montenegro.
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Some pictures that i found on Panoramio:


By him:http://www.panoramio.com/user/842151...o_id=116004123
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Old January 21st, 2015, 10:07 PM   #5660
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It's slower and more expensive than driving through BiH. Except maybe for trucks, since they would skip custom hassles.
I wonder how much hassle is involved in reality. There never seems to be much truck traffic at Neum, and you don't see many trucks between the MNE border and Ploce anyway.
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