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Old January 23rd, 2015, 11:06 PM   #5681
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Only about 300 km longer when going from Zagreb, maybe even less from Central Europe.
Or take the ferry Zadar-Ancona, then drive to Bari and take the ferry to Dubrovnik.
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Old January 23rd, 2015, 11:41 PM   #5682
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Old January 24th, 2015, 12:24 PM   #5683
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The only thing I wanted to state id that Croatia's entry to schengen would simply mean an abolishment of the borders so you dont even have to wait at the lines because there may be some travellers that only brought a regular passport to be stamped and scanned. Its like 3-5 minutes per car so a lot of time can be saved
It's nowhere near 3-5 minutes per car on internal EU border crossings. It depends on the border crossing, but in general, EU citizens are either waved through or given only a very quick check. The problem is that some Croatian border crossings are international, yet aren't able to deal with the traffic properly. A perfect example is Vitaljina, on the MNE border - there's only one lane, yet it's wholly inadequate for the amount of traffic crossing there. Croatia, before joining Schengen, absolutely needs to improve some of their border crossings. Many of them are excellent (for example, Licko Petrovo Selo, Stara Gradiska and Nova Sela) - but Doljani (close to Metkovic) is a disaster.
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Old January 24th, 2015, 01:05 PM   #5684
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Vitaljina is only a minor crossing. The traffic should go over Debeli Brijeg. But because it's a mess there - on Croatian as well as on Montenegrin side - many try their luck at Vitaljina and than it gets crowded as hell. But if Debeli Brijeg would be improved, no one would drove over Vitaljina.
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Old January 24th, 2015, 05:29 PM   #5685
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Old January 26th, 2015, 10:34 AM   #5686
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Vitaljina is only a minor crossing. The traffic should go over Debeli Brijeg. But because it's a mess there - on Croatian as well as on Montenegrin side - many try their luck at Vitaljina and than it gets crowded as hell. But if Debeli Brijeg would be improved, no one would drove over Vitaljina.
The police are often closing Karaskovici too and directing traffic to Vitaljina. I was there last summer (in the direction MNE->HR) and while clearance out of Montenegro and into Croatia took a few seconds, there was a jam of several hours in the HR->MNE direction. I asked the Croatian guard what the problem actually was, and he told me that the requirement for a Green Card in MNE caused a lot of problems - people have to buy the insurance on the spot, and with only one lane in each direction, it causes huge queues. He also told me that his peers in Karaskovici also cause huge problems by doing unnecessary checks - for instance, scanning passports of EU citizens when they're clearly tourists. The best solution there would be to introduce "one stop" controls - but Schengen unfortunately prohibits controls outside of Schengen territory (why, I don't know - it's one of the most stupid rules...). Certainly it would make much more sense for EU citizens to be visually checked on the entrance to Karaskovici, and if all is well, they should be able to bypass the more thorough controls. The other bad thing is the lack of the "green lane" system - so Customs waste a lot of time asking for verbal declarations, too.
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Old January 26th, 2015, 03:59 PM   #5687
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The green card explanation seems absolutely nonsense to me. You need the green card for example also in BiH and in fact you get the green card from your insurance company. So buying it at the border crossing is only an exception. Only big border crossing point have insurance companies at all. And I had crossed there many times (waiting between an hour and a few minutes in the queue) and visible nobody bought an insurance there.

But indeed, the Montenegrin side does time intensive checks. However, I have also waited there for an hour entering Croatia, so that isn't a Montenegrin only problem. In my opinion the border crossing is simply to small. Croatia extended their side a few years back and since then the waiting time there was improved (getting smaller), so Montenegro also has to extend their side.

Joint controls wouldn't really eliminate the problem, just have a look at Sokobin - Muriqan (Montenegro - Albania) where there are joint controls and that crossing is also crowded as hell despite that there were several lanes available and in operation. But joint controls make it more pleasant.

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Old January 26th, 2015, 04:06 PM   #5688
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It's not about a green card in MNE but an eco tax: http://www.visit-montenegro.com/article-mne-4966.htm
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Old January 26th, 2015, 04:39 PM   #5689
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It's not about a green card in MNE but an eco tax: http://www.visit-montenegro.com/article-mne-4966.htm
The Eco–tax was abolished already in 2012: http://www.balkans.com/open-news.php...enumber=118235

And in fact it didn't harm the border procedure since it was sold before the booths and you had enough time to get one while waiting in the queue
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Old January 27th, 2015, 02:56 PM   #5690
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I always liked Vitaljina much more because it tends to be a rather quiet and fast border crossing. Karasovići can get insane backlogs in summer and in winter, they sometimes just don't move their asses on the Montenegrin side of the border. For example, customs officers sleeping in their booth (around midnight) and angry at you for literally waking them up during their workhours, and then proceeding extra slow on purpose just because you were the only car within an hour. Another time it happened that the police officer was done after a quick passport scan and then the customs officer started interrogation because he had nothing else to do in his quiet shift outside of the touristic season... I'm sure, if they worked more efficiently, they could improve the queues a lot.

Before anyone here starts yelling nationalist things at me because of my "location" in the forum profile, this is not what I was trying to imply. It's not about Croatian-Montenegrin relations. The same thing is going on with e.g. Croatian police as well at many border crossings, but at Karasovići it appears to be extra-bad.
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Old January 27th, 2015, 07:05 PM   #5691
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I always liked Vitaljina much more because it tends to be a rather quiet and fast border crossing. Karasovići can get insane backlogs in summer and in winter, they sometimes just don't move their asses on the Montenegrin side of the border. For example, customs officers sleeping in their booth (around midnight) and angry at you for literally waking them up during their workhours, and then proceeding extra slow on purpose just because you were the only car within an hour. Another time it happened that the police officer was done after a quick passport scan and then the customs officer started interrogation because he had nothing else to do in his quiet shift outside of the touristic season... I'm sure, if they worked more efficiently, they could improve the queues a lot.

Before anyone here starts yelling nationalist things at me because of my "location" in the forum profile, this is not what I was trying to imply. It's not about Croatian-Montenegrin relations. The same thing is going on with e.g. Croatian police as well at many border crossings, but at Karasovići it appears to be extra-bad.

Hmm, you never know regarding the relations. Its just funny that in many borders around Balkan, they pay attention to your name and ask for your nationality even if its written in the passport. that happens frequently. In addition, working there is actually a prestigeous job in Balkan so they feel kinda prevailed. Just imagine that you have the power and authority to let people in your country.
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Old January 30th, 2015, 05:40 PM   #5692
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Drove from Vienna to Sarajevo over Slavonski Šamac and at Sredanci interchange they already put Svilaj sign-post but without BiH sticker, I don't know since when it's there but I thought it's good to know
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Old January 30th, 2015, 05:50 PM   #5693
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Drove from Vienna to Sarajevo over Slavonski Šamac and at Sredanci interchange they already put Svilaj sign-post but without BiH sticker, I don't know since when it's there but I thought it's good to know
that's because it really will temporarly be exit for Svilaj, nothing else. i mean, there is wooden ferry accross the river in Svilaj (i don't know is it still operational), but untill the bridge would be finished, there will be no signs for BIH.
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that's because it really will temporarly be exit for Svilaj, nothing else. i mean, there is wooden ferry accross the river in Svilaj (i don't know is it still operational), but untill the bridge would be finished, there will be no signs for BIH.
It would be quite trolling, if they led all traffic over that wooden ferry.
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It would be quite trolling, if they led all traffic over that wooden ferry.
Is this ferry?
https://www.google.it/maps/place/Svi...563678a27d5852
It's interesting, I don't think there are still many river ferry border crossings in Europe. Are there pics? Is passport\ID check performed on the boat or while waiting the boat?
The closest that come to my mind is the ferry between Switzerland and Germany on the Bodensee.
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yes, that's the place. and it would really be trolling, verso
you can see on google earth customs booth at croatian side (blue roof). on bosnian - i don't know.

this is how that ferry looks like.

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Old January 31st, 2015, 02:11 AM   #5697
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Not so long time ago one company from Serbia was using Zagreb bypass and they reported that some construction works were going on.I am not sure about what they were talking.Does any one of you guys know?I think that they said something about A4.
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Can't be certain, but it looks like - https://www.google.si/maps/@45.11377.../data=!3m1!1e3 - those little white buildings are probably the Bosnian control buildings. It's normal for Bosnia to use those portable huts for small border crossings (and even not so small border crossings...). But is that ferry really open for international traffic, or just locals?
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Old January 31st, 2015, 10:50 AM   #5699
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Not so long time ago one company from Serbia was using Zagreb bypass and they reported that some construction works were going on.I am not sure about what they were talking.Does any one of you guys know?I think that they said something about A4.
It's the construction site of the future junction Jakuševec, A3-A11. Northern ramps are done, now they are building the southern part of the junction.
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Old January 31st, 2015, 11:39 AM   #5700
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Can't be certain, but it looks like - https://www.google.si/maps/@45.11377.../data=!3m1!1e3 - those little white buildings are probably the Bosnian control buildings. It's normal for Bosnia to use those portable huts for small border crossings (and even not so small border crossings...). But is that ferry really open for international traffic, or just locals?
It's not international border crossing. On river Sava, there are couple of ferries between BIH and CRO.
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