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Old June 9th, 2016, 01:52 AM   #6101
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Construction should start next year. Any news on A5? Still planned as a 2x1 road north of Osijek?
North of Drava bridge, yes.
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Old June 22nd, 2016, 02:06 PM   #6102
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Pelješac bridge construction bid opened yesterday

Bid to construct Pelješac bridge and access roads with EU funding was opened yesterday. It will be a 2 phase bidding process.

It will be a 2 lane cable-stayed bridge (with 2 shoulder/emergency lanes). 5 main spans are 285 metres long each.

Estimated cost: 1.756.000.000,00 kn (without VAT) - 233 million euros

Construction deadline: 42 months after construction start







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Old June 22nd, 2016, 04:37 PM   #6103
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It appears that there will be enough place for later expansion to 2+2 expressway traffic lanes with no larger modifications (actually it just needs some different lane painting).
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Old June 22nd, 2016, 04:42 PM   #6104
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It's narrow for a motorway, but it's smart to build such a large bridge with sufficient space for additional capacity. It's built to last at least 100 years.

Imagine if they built all roads in the past with only a 20 year traffic horizon. In fact, this was frequently the case, resulting in obsolete capacity standards far earlier than the end of the service life of a bridge or tunnel.

Is there any chance that A1 could get routed across this bridge?
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Old June 22nd, 2016, 04:42 PM   #6105
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It appears that there will be enough place for later expansion to 2+2 expressway traffic lanes with no larger modifications (actually it just needs some different lane painting).
Not really, lane width is 3,5 m + 3 m. Not enough for two expressway lanes (2*3,5 m).
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Old June 22nd, 2016, 05:17 PM   #6106
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Maybe they could fit in two lanes at 3,25 m.
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Old June 22nd, 2016, 05:19 PM   #6107
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So, they published this exactly one day after parliament was dissolved and new elections are called for early September. I can tell where this is going...
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Old June 22nd, 2016, 05:46 PM   #6108
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Maybe they could fit in two lanes at 3,25 m.
They could, but it would be sub-standard. And what's the point anyway, as the connecting roads won't ever be 2+2.
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Old June 22nd, 2016, 05:47 PM   #6109
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So, they published this exactly one day after parliament was dissolved and new elections are called for early September. I can tell where this is going...
No, you can't.

This bid is now few years in the making, actually it was former (Milanović) government who re-started the whole thing (and got EU funding).
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Old June 22nd, 2016, 06:03 PM   #6110
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Hello everybody! Is the Dusina rest area working now? Are there petrol station and cafe-bar there? Thanks!
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Old June 22nd, 2016, 09:31 PM   #6111
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Maybe they could fit in two lanes at 3,25 m.
Then it would look like the Slovenian H7.
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Old June 23rd, 2016, 11:28 AM   #6112
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Hello everybody! Is the Dusina rest area working now? Are there petrol station and cafe-bar there? Thanks!
Think that both responses are negative. I`m sure fore second one.
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Old June 23rd, 2016, 01:45 PM   #6113
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I see there's 2x50cm in side reservation, which I believe could be reduced to 25cm each, so there you go...the half meter you're missing for 2x3.50....
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Old June 23rd, 2016, 06:04 PM   #6114
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I see there's 2x50cm in side reservation, which I believe could be reduced to 25cm each, so there you go...the half meter you're missing for 2x3.50....
exactly what i wanted to write.

this is little bit weird allingment, but it is sufficient to make 2+2. it can always be 2+2 with 80 km/h speed limit and no changing lanes.
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Old June 23rd, 2016, 09:11 PM   #6115
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Is there any chance that A1 could get routed across this bridge?
I don't believe for one second that this bridge is going to get built, but let's assume it does.

The problem is the other side. The road from Zaton Doli to the bridge is not really suitable for the traffic that the coast road handles, so it doesn't seem likely that the A1 would be routed over it. Even the improvements that are meant to be delivered as part of the bridge (including improvements of roads and the Ston bypass) isn't really enough to justify putting the A1 over it.

I still think the Croatian plan is to build the bridge, then use it to try and convince the EU to pay up for turning the route into motorway standard. It won't matter that the Pelješac bridge is substandard, as it will need to remain non-motorway to allow all traffic to use it.

My biggest problem with this bridge is that it will destroy the relative tranquillity of Pelješac Apart from Orebić and Ston, the rest of the peninsula is pretty much undiscovered by idiotic tourists.
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Old June 23rd, 2016, 09:22 PM   #6116
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It won't matter that the Pelješac bridge is substandard, as it will need to remain non-motorway to allow all traffic to use it.
Which is not an entirely uncommon situation in Europe. For example on Pont de Normandie in France, A29 briefly switches to route nationale status, despite the bridge having four lanes and no at-grade intersections on its route.

The Dartford Crossing on the east side of London may have similar considerations for it to be A282 instead of M25.

Through Oslo, E6 loses motorway status despite featuring 2x2 lanes and full control of access on its route (it is substandard though).

In southern France, A54 is interrupted by N113 through the Arles area, despite the route having higher standards than some autoroutes.
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i don't see anything wrong if that road from Ploče over the bridge becomes D13 expressway.
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Old June 24th, 2016, 12:11 AM   #6118
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I see there's 2x50cm in side reservation, which I believe could be reduced to 25cm each, so there you go...the half meter you're missing for 2x3.50....
This is not a reservation, but a side lane. If lanes are 3,50 then the side lane needs to be at least 50 cm.
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Old June 24th, 2016, 12:15 AM   #6119
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I don't believe for one second that this bridge is going to get built, but let's assume it does.

The problem is the other side. The road from Zaton Doli to the bridge is not really suitable for the traffic that the coast road handles, so it doesn't seem likely that the A1 would be routed over it. Even the improvements that are meant to be delivered as part of the bridge (including improvements of roads and the Ston bypass) isn't really enough to justify putting the A1 over it.

I still think the Croatian plan is to build the bridge, then use it to try and convince the EU to pay up for turning the route into motorway standard. It won't matter that the Pelješac bridge is substandard, as it will need to remain non-motorway to allow all traffic to use it.

My biggest problem with this bridge is that it will destroy the relative tranquillity of Pelješac Apart from Orebić and Ston, the rest of the peninsula is pretty much undiscovered by idiotic tourists.
The EU is fuding it, what's there not to believe?

I don't agree with you on further points either. The whole bypass road will be 1+1. If we wanted to build a 2+2 expressway/highway as our endgame, we would've anticipated that in the designs. This road will be only a modern reroute of D8 coastal road 100% on Croatian soil.

The Adriatic-Ionian motorway is leaving Croatia at Metković and going through BiH to Montenegro. Case closed. Croatian nature and landscapes mostly intact. Everybody wins.
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Old June 24th, 2016, 12:26 AM   #6120
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The Adriatic-Ionian motorway is leaving Croatia at Metković and going through BiH to Montenegro.
Is this an official plan?
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