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Old July 29th, 2016, 12:18 AM   #6201
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As a side observer, in my opinion Croatia has the obligation to pay off the construction of A1 first rather than to divert the traffic through Banja Luka by taking part into the construction of the bridge at Gradiska.
This is called blocking road construction. The bridge over Sava wouldn't just create an alternative to the A1 (which has a very long way to be finished anyway), it would also connect Zagreb with Banja Luka and other places in Bosnia.
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Old July 29th, 2016, 01:09 AM   #6202
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It's no secret that Croatia strongly prefers to cooperate with the Croats in BiH than with the Serbs. Especially when HDZ is in power...

So no surprise, that there is close to zero progress with projects involving Republika Srpska.
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Old July 29th, 2016, 01:19 AM   #6203
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true, but what with last 20 years when Croatia had good access to modern border crossing, while at the same time at BIH side was road congested with local traffic with 60 km/h limit and border crossing with horribly limited capacity?
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What are you expecting from us? When we established where problems are (one of them is state road between Banja Luka and Gradiška), we eliminated that by building highway (finished... maybe 2010? if you want, you can google it) between Banja Luka and Gradiška. Another problem is border crossing into center of town Gradiška, but solution of this specific problem Croatia obstructing for, at least, a decade now.
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Old July 29th, 2016, 01:35 AM   #6204
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It's no secret that Croatia strongly prefers to cooperate with the Croats in BiH than with the Serbs. Especially when HDZ is in power...

So no surprise, that there is close to zero progress with projects involving Republika Srpska.
If Croats finished the A3 to Serbia, why do they have such a problem with Bosnian Serbs? If anyone is making problems for Bosnian Croats, it's probably Muslims rather than Serbs, no?
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Old July 29th, 2016, 12:24 PM   #6205
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I see some kinde of childishness b/n HR, FBiH, RoS BiH authorities...
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Old July 29th, 2016, 02:13 PM   #6206
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Nothing worse than a self-hating Serb.
Said the one who was banned from Bulgarian forum.
Said the one who is literally dumping Serbian forum all the time with underdone proposals of wannabe motorways illustrated in old Yugoslav manner from the 1980es, altogether poorly translated from Serbian. E. g. visitors there thought that proposed tunnel Fruška Gora would be 17 kilometers long.
Additionally, this is the same pattern as making the famous map of motorways made in "Yugoslavia", compiled with - look what we might have done if we somehow stayed together - mindset. On contrary, this map clearly proves that both Slovenia and Croatia made huge profit seceding Yugoslavia, at least concerning motorway construction. Moreover, Croatia financed all its motorways alone, without even European Union help, where Serbia is struggling in financing its projects from Russia through Azerbaijan to People's Republic of China, not to speak that Serbian authorities did not finish expressway from Batočina to Kragujevac, obliged by carmaker FIAT, etc. etc.

The hard truth about Gradiška Bridge is, that if Croatia finishes it, Republika Srpska would never finish their part of Svilaj-Nova Sela motorway, especially Odžak-Doboj section, forcing travellers from Central Bosnia and Sarajevo region to Western Europe to fill in the budget of Republic of Srpska by using Doboj-Banja Luka motorway? So why on God's green Earth would Croatian authorities make such a misjudgement?
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Old July 29th, 2016, 02:39 PM   #6207
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This is called blocking road construction. The bridge over Sava wouldn't just create an alternative to the A1 (which has a very long way to be finished anyway), it would also connect Zagreb with Banja Luka and other places in Bosnia.
In Gradiška there is already a bridge. As per Croatian statistics AADT on that crosing is between 4-5000. Only problem is that on Bosnian side b/c is in the middle of town. Nothing else. Thats why for Croatia that is not a priority.
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Old July 29th, 2016, 06:14 PM   #6208
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This is called blocking road construction. The bridge over Sava wouldn't just create an alternative to the A1 (which has a very long way to be finished anyway), it would also connect Zagreb with Banja Luka and other places in Bosnia.
Verso, you are making a mountain out of a molehill. If one does not know the map, he/she may think that there is no bridge at all at Gradiska, which is not the case. A3 is also very near to the river crossing and last but not least this is just a local way, not an international corridor. I don't say that a new bridge should not be built but just as BiH (I mean both entities) have their own priorities, so does Croatia. In this respect, the corresponding bridge comes as far as I know after A1 to Dubrovnik, A7, A5 and A13 to name but a few. Even your favourite A2 with Krapina precedes it. Moreover, A1 has a real alternative namely Karlovac-Plitvice-Knin-Dugopolje, even a big part of the state road D1 from Lucko to Split I/C whose quality is quite good.
Can you make the Austrians build an expressway from Celovec oops sorry I should say Klagenfurt to the border just because you want to connect it faster with Ljubljana and at the same time to serve as an alternative to your A2? I don't think so.
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Old July 30th, 2016, 02:18 AM   #6209
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^ Klagenfurt is not so important to us, it's basically a cul-de-sac. We have a good road to Ljubelj, but the road on the Austrian side is their problem, it should be more important to them anyway. My point is that if Croats don't wanna build this motorway just because it might create an alternative to the A1, that's called blocking road construction, because the motorway would have more purpose than just that.
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Old July 30th, 2016, 04:03 AM   #6210
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I don't say that a new bridge should not be built but just as BiH (I mean both entities) have their own priorities, so does Croatia.
I always said the EU would have to pay in full for the 2 motorway connections to Bosnia across the Sava river to the Croatian A3 ( and A5 )
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Old July 30th, 2016, 07:46 PM   #6211
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If Croats finished the A3 to Serbia, why do they have such a problem with Bosnian Serbs? If anyone is making problems for Bosnian Croats, it's probably Muslims rather than Serbs, no?
That you can't compare:
1. The motorway was already there as an expressway and partly already as motorway. Croatia just upgraded that road and also it's very easy terrain.
2. That motorway also serves as connection to Vukovar, Vinkovci, Osijek and whole East Slavonia
3. Traffic on A3 is much higher than at the bridge in Gradiska. If there were huge traffic jams, I think Croatia will be more pushing it...
4. Croatia and Serbia were never at war. Relations were non existing for some time but recovered after Dayton Agreement and ending of the war in Croatia and BiH
5. East Slavonia was given back to Croatia without bigger problems although bordering directly to Serbia.

All reasons why it's easier to work with Serbia. On the other hand I don't have to tell you the story of the war in Crotia and BiH, have I?
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Old July 30th, 2016, 08:49 PM   #6212
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as we have all missed the announced traffic jams due to Putin in Slovenia, in Croatia we still had them because of several traffic accidents along A1 and A6. one of them was again in tunnel Sveti Marko.
every year in that short tunnel happens at least one accident, some of them fatal. some say it is because here A1 becomes more curvy, some say because it is the first tunnel after Zagreb (i don't see any reasons why would it generate accidents), some say that the tunnel itself is cursed because there is graveyard at the hill above it
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Old July 30th, 2016, 11:45 PM   #6213
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Sounds like a pain in the ass. What about the border crossing Goričan? No increased traffic? Many tourists actually follow signalization by Maribor and drive that way, because there was congestion today on the Slovenian A5 just before the Hungarian border. Maybe it's congested just on the Hungarian side (Letenye)?
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Old July 31st, 2016, 12:05 AM   #6214
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Sounds like a pain in the ass. What about the border crossing Goričan? No increased traffic? Many tourists actually follow signalization by Maribor and drive that way, because there was congestion today on the Slovenian A5 just before the Hungarian border. Maybe it's congested just on the Hungarian side (Letenye)?
i saw congestion at toll station Sveta Helena, but it would be the same in each case, with or without Putin.

i saw quite some jam around Ptuj and almost hardly moving traffic between Ptuj and Gruškovje (and consequently proceeded jam to toll station Trakošćan) maybe it was little bit more than expected for strongest tourist weekend.
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Old August 16th, 2016, 12:18 AM   #6215
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Road D106, mini-bypass of Pag. It looks very new so I guess it has been opened recently.

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Old August 16th, 2016, 08:50 AM   #6216
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About two months ago or something like that
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Old August 16th, 2016, 05:01 PM   #6217
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Recently drove on the A7 from Rijeka to Hreljin. Great 'urban expressway.'
I'm interested in the future route to Žuta Lokva, I can't find it anywhere. I also heard that there may be some recent changes to the proposed route.
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Old August 16th, 2016, 07:56 PM   #6218
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Only planning.

Studija izvedivosti ceste Žuta Lokva - Križišće
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Zvonko, respect.
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