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Old August 19th, 2016, 07:55 PM   #6221
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Road 44, view from small town Roć in Istria Peninsula.

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Old August 19th, 2016, 09:50 PM   #6222
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D8&D25

"Jadranska Magistrala", view from Northern Velebit Mountains, near Karlobag.


D8 (bottom) and D25.
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 06:50 PM   #6223
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Jadranska Magistrala near Novi Vinodolski.









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Old August 23rd, 2016, 08:27 PM   #6224
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A6, Fuzine, motorway bridge.

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Old August 23rd, 2016, 10:31 PM   #6225
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A11 Zagreb-Lekenik-(Sisak) -1/4

A11 drive from Zagreb to Lekenik

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interchange A3/A11 #1 Jakuševac




exit #2 Veliko Polje






exit #3 Velika Gorica north






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Old August 23rd, 2016, 10:32 PM   #6226
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A11 Zagreb-Lekenik-(Sisak) -2/4

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exit #4 Velika Gorica south








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exit #5 Buševec




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Old August 23rd, 2016, 10:34 PM   #6227
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Old August 23rd, 2016, 10:35 PM   #6228
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Old August 24th, 2016, 11:40 PM   #6229
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Empty autocesta it seems will it ever be worth building to Sisak?
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Old August 25th, 2016, 08:34 AM   #6230
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Empty autocesta it seems will it ever be worth building to Sisak?
Yes, it's pretty empty, but it's still worth building it (maybe it could have been better to build a 2x2 expressway instead), because it replaces a 45 km stretch of continuous villages and 50 km/h limits within them. The AADT is still bigger than of A5.

The area around Sisak is poor, so people don't want to pay for the motorway (although the toll is 9 kn for the whole existing stretch).

It will attract more traffic when the connection to Zagreb is done (a viaduct across the railway/station and upgrade of Sarajevska avenue till the bridge across Sava).
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Old August 25th, 2016, 03:38 PM   #6231
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I think Zagreb wants to have as many motorways around it as possible.
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Old August 25th, 2016, 05:21 PM   #6232
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I think Zagreb wants to have as many motorways around it as possible.
Zagreb always wants to have everything :P
But the truth is that Zagreb is the central transportation hub because you can hardly go from Istria or Dalmatia to Zagorje or Slavonija without passing through Zagreb. Also, southern route from Zagreb is heavily congested because of daily commuters (Buzin business district, people from Velika Gorica, Veliko Polje, Velika Mlaka...going to school and work to Zagreb), then there's the airport. So some kind of quality road was indeed needed there.
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Old August 25th, 2016, 07:59 PM   #6233
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Any plans to build a Zagreb northern bypass connecting A3/A4 with A2? Or maybe a second southern ring? How far is Slavonska avenija away from exressway standards?

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Old August 25th, 2016, 09:01 PM   #6234
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Any plans to build a Zagreb northern bypass connecting A3/A4 with A2? Or maybe a second southern ring? How far is Slavonska avenija away from exressway standards?

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Northern ring is just a dream, no serious plans have been made. But the A3 southern bypass is just good, it's just a 15 min drive from Jankomir interchange (A2/A3) to Ivanja Reka interchange (A3/A4).

But an expressway (1x2, grade separated) is being built right now from Zabok exit (A2) towards A4: map

Slavonska avenija is a 2x2 avenue, with at-level crossings and traffic lights and few grade separated crossings (Savska street, Većeslava Holjevca av., Držićeva av., Radnička, Grada Gospića, Ljudevita Posavskog), with speed limits 70-80 km/h (80 is maximum on roads within urban areas, limited by law). The city plans to upgrade it to 2x3 profile (like its western counterpart-Zagrebačka/Ljubljanska av.), but no one knows when will that start. Anyway, it's much faster and comfortable to take A3 then to go through the city /Ljubljanska/Zagrebačka/Slavonska av.) ;-)
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Old August 26th, 2016, 12:38 AM   #6235
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Any plans to build a Zagreb northern bypass connecting A3/A4 with A2? Or maybe a second southern ring? How far is Slavonska avenija away from exressway standards?
A second outer ring from the A2 to the A3 towards Slavonski Brod makes a lot of sense if it was integrated into the existing tolling systems, meaning that you could drive from Osijek to Ploce within one tolling system.

But at the very least, I'd love to see a new A1-A2 connection. The geography might be a problem though...
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Old August 26th, 2016, 09:58 AM   #6236
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Yes, it's pretty empty, but it's still worth building it (maybe it could have been better to build a 2x2 expressway instead), because it replaces a 45 km stretch of continuous villages and 50 km/h limits within them.
Since it is parallel with A3, it would be better that they built 15 km from A3 to Sisak and not 35 km from Zagreb bypass to Lekenik!

After building 35 km of highway, we have two highways that end 15 km from Sisak instead of one.

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Old August 26th, 2016, 05:51 PM   #6237
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A second outer ring from the A2 to the A3 towards Slavonski Brod makes a lot of sense if it was integrated into the existing tolling systems, meaning that you could drive from Osijek to Ploce within one tolling system.

But at the very least, I'd love to see a new A1-A2 connection. The geography might be a problem though...
The A3 section from Jankomir to Lučko (cca 5 km) is planned to be upgraded to 2x3 among first sections (as well as A1 from Lučko to Karlovac, cca 40 km), so it will be more comfortable to drive. It's the section most congested during summer weekends.

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Since it is parallel with A3, it would be better that they built 15 km from A3 to Sisak and not 35 km from Zagreb bypass to Lekenik!

After building 35 km of highway, we have two highways that end 15 km from Sisak instead of one.
I wouldn't say so. If you go to Sisak via A3 (Popovača exit) the route is 85 km long (25 km longer than using D30 or A11). Also, the point of A11 is not just connection from Zagreb to Sisak, but also avoiding many villages along the the D30 and relieving it from heavy traffic (D30 is the only road there so it's used by kids going to school, pedestrians, bicycles, bikes, and number of heavy trucks going to Sisak and Bosnia.

A11 will eventually come to Sisak. We had to wait 34 years for A1 to come to Split :P
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Old August 27th, 2016, 12:44 PM   #6238
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Croatian government was, in the beginning, supportive for this project, but in the last couple years they trying to sabotage this highway. Bridge over river Sava was agreed, than wasn't, and now, after ten years, he is agreed again. Supposedly.
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I would not worry about the bridge too much. Whoever wants to cross over and use our motorways, they will do so. Croatia just like any micro, egocentric state in Europe will always look for the chance to gain some political points.... Germany can allow them into so called EU, but the Balkan backward mentality will never fade away. I am very happy the way things up moving for us in Srpska, as well as in Bosnia.
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Old August 27th, 2016, 01:09 PM   #6239
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Expressway D2 Ormož (Slovenia) - Ilok

Maybe Michih can add in the list an expressway in Croatia:

D2: Virovitica - Suhopolje, 9.1km (Sep 2014 - 2017) as a LOT from the expressway project (Podravska brza cesta) that should go from Ormož (Slovenia) - Ilok (Croatia).

Link: http://www.icv.hr/2016/03/foto-pogle...adovi-buducoj/
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Old August 27th, 2016, 01:33 PM   #6240
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I wouldn't say so. If you go to Sisak via A3 (Popovača exit) the route is 85 km long (25 km longer than using D30 or A11). Also, the point of A11 is not just connection from Zagreb to Sisak, but also avoiding many villages along the the D30 and relieving it from heavy traffic (D30 is the only road there so it's used by kids going to school, pedestrians, bicycles, bikes, and number of heavy trucks going to Sisak and Bosnia.

A11 will eventually come to Sisak. We had to wait 34 years for A1 to come to Split :P
There is no reason for the section connecting Sisak and A3 to be built from Popovača. It could also be built from Ludina or Križ which would erase or at least minimize 25 km difference. But what would also be major advantage of the connection at Ludina (my preferred option) is the connection further to the east which is totally absent in the case of A11. As for the heavy traffic on D30, it would be reduced in any case so that could not be valid justification for longer route. As far as I know, there is no exit to every village from A11 (nor it should be expected).
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