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Old May 12th, 2017, 03:29 PM   #6421
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Currently only motorways can be tolled in Croatia, and this road is not planned as a motorway but as a D road.
What about Krk bridge and Ucka tunnel?
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Old May 12th, 2017, 03:33 PM   #6422
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What about Krk bridge and Ucka tunnel?
"Zakon o cestama" (Road law):

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(1) Za korištenje autocesta ili pojedinih cestovnih objekata (most, tunel, vijadukt i slično) na državnim cestama Vlada može donijeti odluku o uvođenju naplate cestarine.
You can toll motorways and specific objects on state roads (bridges, tunnels, viaducts etc.).

Not state roads as such.
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Old May 21st, 2017, 03:13 PM   #6423
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Looks like the border checks between Slovenia and Croatia will change after 27th of June when Croatia joins the Schengen Information System. EU has filed new guidelines to be formalized by the end of the month and it seems that the systematic checks for all passengers will be changed to targeted checks.... Well, better than that at the moment.
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Old June 2nd, 2017, 05:48 PM   #6424
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"Expressway" from Split (Solin) - Trogir has been opened for traffic today. 15 km stretch has been built since 2006, 11 long years.
It is a double lane in each directions but has some traffic lights so we cannot consider it real expressway. It is a very busy road with a daily use of 25000 vehicles.

Link in Croatian from the news:
http://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/hrvat...trake/6173626/
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Old June 21st, 2017, 10:21 PM   #6425
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Is it true that tolls will become expensiver in July?
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Old June 21st, 2017, 11:00 PM   #6426
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yes, 10% between 01.07. and 30.09.
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Old June 22nd, 2017, 11:37 PM   #6427
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Considering tu use D1 from Karlovac to Gračac and then D27 to Zapužane, later D503 to Biograd na Moru. Would be cheaper and maybe I would not use up so much gas. What is the condition on these roads, any critical parts?
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 08:20 AM   #6428
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In my opinion, that is not the alternative but the primary option for travelling from Karlovac to Biograd. So that should be the answer.
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 10:00 AM   #6429
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Only problem is that the "old" road is very congested after Karlovac up until Gracac with trucks and is very exhausting to drive with many bends and curves. When I drive from Zagreb to Split I use the highway up until Gornja Ploca and then continue on the old road (in your case you would go to Knin and then make a right). That part of the road is in very good condition, with long straight patches, lots of opportunities for taking over and much less traffic. From Gornja Ploca to Split it's about 2h, 2:15h on the old road, on the highway it's 1:30-1:45 so time-wise it's not a big difference but you do save a considerable amount on gas and highway fee.
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 03:17 PM   #6430
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Hi Guys!

We will travel from Budapest (H) to Valbiska to take the ferry at 16:00 to Lopar.

Do you think it is enogh to start at 8:00 from Budapest?

What is the route recommended to take at this Saturday? My choice is to go through Zagreb take Lucko and after go on motorway till the Krk bridge. We will travel with 2 small children, so it will be great to avoid massive traffic jams. Do you have any good advice to choose the smartest route?
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 05:57 PM   #6431
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Considering tu use D1 from Karlovac to Gračac and then D27 to Zapužane, later D503 to Biograd na Moru. Would be cheaper and maybe I would not use up so much gas. What is the condition on these roads, any critical parts?
better option is to take D1 from Karlovac to Udbina and then to connect to A1 till Benkovac. just don't take D424 (expressway connector to Zadar) and cut the route via Sukošan because Sukošan is bottleneck and you will lose your nerves trying to connect D8 there.

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Hi Guys!

We will travel from Budapest (H) to Valbiska to take the ferry at 16:00 to Lopar.

Do you think it is enogh to start at 8:00 from Budapest?

What is the route recommended to take at this Saturday? My choice is to go through Zagreb take Lucko and after go on motorway till the Krk bridge. We will travel with 2 small children, so it will be great to avoid massive traffic jams. Do you have any good advice to choose the smartest route?
8 hours with 3 rests, hm, a little bit tight. bottlenecks are definitely Zagreb and Krk bridge. however, when you pass Karlovac, you will see the time. if you might be late for the last ferry in Valbiska, then reroute to ferry line Stinica - Mišnjak. ferry there runs much more often than Valbiska (17 times per day in June, while from Valbiska there are only 3), and it is cheaper (Stinica - Mišnjak 146 kn for 2+2 persons and a car in one direction, 337 kn for Valbiska - Lopar - better spend 50€ of difference on dinner for you and wife). if you cannot find it, here it is: http://www.rapska-plovidba.hr (it is not Jadrolinija, but opther operator)
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 09:02 PM   #6432
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Thank you! It was really helpful advice.
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Old June 24th, 2017, 10:01 PM   #6433
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better option is to take D1 from Karlovac to Udbina and then to connect to A1 till Benkovac. just don't take D424 (expressway connector to Zadar) and cut the route via Sukošan because Sukošan is bottleneck and you will lose your nerves trying to connect D8
Avoid D1 from Karlovac to Udbina at all costs. I dont know why this guy is giving you this bad advice. In the summer thst stretch of D1 is a horrible road to drive on.
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Avoid D1 from Karlovac to Udbina at all costs. I dont know why this guy is giving you this bad advice. In the summer thst stretch of D1 is a horrible road to drive on.
since A1 has been opened there are no major traffic jams at D1, especially heading south. thus, he has already decided to take D1 from Karlovac south, and it doesn't have good toll-free alternative, except maybe partially D50.
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Old June 25th, 2017, 12:43 AM   #6435
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since A1 has been opened there are no major traffic jams at D1, especially heading south. thus, he has already decided to take D1 from Karlovac south, and it doesn't have good toll-free alternative, except maybe partially D50.
The road is full of turns and hills and villages and trucks and campers with very little oportunity for taking over. Its slow, tiring and dangerous, especially compared to A1. The D1 from Krbavsko polje all the way to Knin is in superb condition and almost flat, you can drive almost as fast as on A1, but from Krbava to Karlovac is HORRIBLE, especially in the summer.

As someone who has driven the route hundreds of times in both directions I advise taking the A1 from Karlovac to Gornja Ploca and from there the D1 to Knin, if not A1 all the way. Basically the part you recommended him is the only part of the D1 worth skipping.
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Old June 25th, 2017, 07:31 PM   #6436
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Yes, Karlovac - Udbina is not nice to drive! Especially the part from Karlovac to Slunj is awful. Too much towns, too much turns, too much hills and too much cars. Avoid it unless A1 is full of cars
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Old June 25th, 2017, 09:10 PM   #6437
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How about this:
A1 to Sveti Rok, then D50 to Gračac?

Since difference in toll is only 3 Hrk at the time?
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A1 to Sveti Rok, then D50 to Gračac?

Since difference in toll is only 3 Hrk at the time?
if you're taking A1 down to Sveti Rok, then take it all the way to Benkovac. maybe first 20 km between Karlovac and Krnjak is in inhabited area, the rest has mostly speed limits 70 and 90. the whole road bewteen Karlovac and Gračac nowhere makes you drive slower than 70 or in lower gear than 4th except in Slunj over the bridge. the road maybe is twisty comparing to some flat area state roads as D2, but its geometry is very good so it does not require slow driving, changing gears each while etc. like D3 for instance.
oh, and one more thing - there is a plenty of speed cameras and police on whole D1.
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Old June 26th, 2017, 12:34 AM   #6439
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I would also recommend A1 all the way to Benkovac as first option. D1 up to Gracac or Udbina is the best route when traveling from around Split, while from Zadar/Biograd A1 is the best route, no competition.

As far as D1 is concerned, from Udbina southward the road is empty and the scenery is spectacular. Well worth the detour if detours are what you want. Police are usually set up just before Gracac and in Padjene just before Knin, so be sure to slow down there because you can easily do 100-120 without realizing it on those stretches. At least I do

On the stretch from Karlovac to Udbina you can expect many buses, trucks each with 5-20 cars behind them waiting to overtake and very few safe chances to do so. So its also pretty dangerous and very very tiring because of low visibility, curves, hills...
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Old July 18th, 2017, 09:19 PM   #6440
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