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Old July 21st, 2008, 06:25 PM   #941
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yeah, i know that up to some 80, even 100 thousand vehicles is ok for 2+2, here the traffic flows mostly ok, but often in 2 parallel rows. fortunately, there are no jams with speeds about 40 km/h except in the case of road works or accident. and that's because Zagreb is lucky to have bypass quite far from centre so it doesn't have almost none characteristics od city motorway
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Old July 21st, 2008, 06:27 PM   #942
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40.000 doesn't require 2x3. There's plenty of room to carry up to 65.000/70.000 without significant congestion. However, if they project higher volumes in the future, it's smart to widen the motorway during the next couple of years.

In the Netherlands, there are 2x2 roads that carry over 100.000 vehicles/day.
that's a true fact...

i think road with highest amount of traffic per day in whole Croatia is the road from New Zagreb over Buzin intersection towards Velika Gorica, and it carries around 80 000 vehicles per day... so even the most congested road isn't that much...
that's why this bypass is currently ok, except some intersections that need to be upgraded... and if you take all that traffic amount, second bypass really isn't necessary...
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Old July 25th, 2008, 11:27 PM   #943
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40.000 doesn't require 2x3. There's plenty of room to carry up to 65.000/70.000 without significant congestion. However, if they project higher volumes in the future, it's smart to widen the motorway during the next couple of years.

In the Netherlands, there are 2x2 roads that carry over 100.000 vehicles/day.
ok, i have found datum for 2006:

at Zagreb bypass the most crowded sections were Jankomir - Lučko (southwest part) and Lučko - Buzin (south part). i have datum only for summer period, first section had 64558, second had 61849. it is only for summer, but i think it could be enough for serious thinking about 3+3. at other sections average annual traffic is decreased from average summer traffic for about 25% east from Lučko, and about 30% west from Lučko.
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Old July 25th, 2008, 11:38 PM   #944
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Well, the French A7 also only carries 70.000 on average, while they're talking about even a widening to 2x5 or build a parallel motorway.
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Old July 25th, 2008, 11:42 PM   #945
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ok, it is France, but i think that those 65000 (now possible even 70000) in summer are enough reason to make us happy with 3+3. do you know maybe traffic amount at Czech D1 where it is 3+3?

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Old July 25th, 2008, 11:52 PM   #946
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72 - 48 thousand
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Old July 26th, 2008, 12:26 AM   #947
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ok, it is France, but i think that those 65000 (now possible even 70000) in summer are enough reason to make us happy with 3+3. do you know maybe traffic amount at Czech D1 where it is 3+3?

i think that number in summer time exceeds 70k maybe even by 100%...

and we shouldn't forget Lucko intersection which was built in 70's and for much smaller projection of traffic back then...
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Old July 26th, 2008, 12:29 AM   #948
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i think that number in summer time exceeds 70k maybe even by 100%...

and we shouldn't forget Lucko intersection which was built in 70's and for much smaller projection of traffic back then...
no, i gave datum for average summer traffic observing a whole year it is about 25-30% less number

about Lučko - i agree - it is really large, but outdated intersection. lanes are really narrow at ramps. at least curves are not sharp
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no, i gave datum for average summer traffic observing a whole year it is about 25-30% less number

about Lučko - i agree - it is really large, but outdated intersection. lanes are really narrow at ramps. at least curves are not sharp
i think there were some photos somewhere came up in papers or something like that... they did some investigation and seems like whole intersection is falling apart...
before any constructions it is necessary to completely build a new intersection... its time has passed... i hope they will come up with some plan about it...
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Old July 26th, 2008, 01:20 AM   #950
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New bypass of Zagreb then, like on the project
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Old July 26th, 2008, 02:26 AM   #951
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2005 version: 94 - 59 ths
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Anyway because of unfinished R1 expr. all transit is using prague inner ring that is 3+3, but it has AADT 127 and 125 in worst parts (in 2006)
very bad prague traffic density map

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Old July 26th, 2008, 02:47 PM   #952
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New bypass of Zagreb then, like on the project
I'd like to see a similar one around budapest:

[larger version]

this network would solve the traffic problem around the capital for at least a century...

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Situation will be improved much when they will finish this whole ring M0 around Budapest
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yes, you're right.
the eastern and northern part will be opened this fall...

but the western part is lost in the far-far future... (the estimated date is 2020)

there is far more traffic on the southern part (ADT of 90.000) as on the ZAGREB bypass, and it is a narrow 2x2 w/o emergency lane, so it is heavily congested.

start of the widening to 2x3(+1) is planned next year (2009).
it will give us a little break... but not too long:

it is part of the No. IV corridor (towards romania and bulgaria) and the forecasted traffic increase is significant.

So we should have to plan (and build) a 2nd southern bypass to be ready for this traffic increase...
(ADT of 120.000 is too much for even a 2x3, so it is better to divert the transit traffic to a new route...

sorry for being OFF...

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I think Budapest will recieve a significant amount of through traffic of trucks, since Romania and Bulgaria are emerging economies, and Constanta is a very important harbor.
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Old July 27th, 2008, 04:00 PM   #956
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Have they already opened section A1 between Sestanovac and Ploce????
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Old July 27th, 2008, 04:12 PM   #957
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Have they already opened section A1 between Sestanovac and Ploce????
not yet... that section is around 60km long... and they currently are working from Sestanovac towards Zagvozd and on section Zagvozd-Ravca... i think they've also started construction towards Ploce but it won't be opened till end of 2009...
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December 2008 according to wikipedia.
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Old July 27th, 2008, 08:23 PM   #959
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December 2008 according to wikipedia.
could be it isn't updated long time...

i was referring to Dalmatians daily news from May this year...

http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Auto...8/Default.aspx
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Old July 28th, 2008, 12:59 AM   #960
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December 2008 according to wikipedia.
it was older plan, motorway construction is slowing down now when main things are built. this year it comes to Ravča, and next to Ploče.
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