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Old December 6th, 2008, 05:44 PM   #1381
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...and B8 will get 3rd lane in whole lenght from Matulji (Rijeka) to tunnel Učka (it currently exists at only 2 km before tunnel).
what kind of 3rd lane?

wont it be widened by doubling it, like the Y?

and what about the new alignment which connects the A8 to A7 at Jusici?

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Old December 6th, 2008, 05:54 PM   #1382
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i don't find it wise because they should have built full profiled motorway at least from Kanfanar to Pula. upgrading is horrible thing.
only when it is not prepared enough...

if the base is prepared they only have to lay asphalt and build overpasses, viaducts and bridges which disturbs the traffic only a little bit...
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Old December 6th, 2008, 06:08 PM   #1383
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what kind of 3rd lane?

wont it be widened by doubling it, like the Y?

and what about the new alignment which connects the A8 to A7 at Jusici?


no, i think it will be 2+1 only (popular road of death ) because in future will be built completely new route, that's answer to your second question about connecting A8 and A7 in Jušići. i think that it could go parallely with secong tube at Učka, or right after it
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Old December 6th, 2008, 09:23 PM   #1384
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Truly first-rate motorways in Croatia.

I got the impression that highways in Croatia, Hungary, Poland and many other Eastern European countries are "darkly" tarred.
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Old December 7th, 2008, 03:43 PM   #1385
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"darkly" tarred.
The impression might come from the fact that they are in most cases new and asphalt hasn'y faded yet.

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Old December 7th, 2008, 05:30 PM   #1386
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West of the center is eastern. You're so ignorant, PLH.
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Old December 7th, 2008, 05:54 PM   #1387
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for my friends from Spain everything east from Germany, Austria and Italy is Eastern Europe
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Old December 7th, 2008, 08:45 PM   #1388
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I don't understand that either, but I guess it's because of the gradient. Nowhere from Bosiljevo (A1-A6 jcn) to Rijeka speed limit exceeds 110 km/h.
Yes. 110 km/h speed limit is pain in the ass. They made such a nice modern motorway out of old crappy road but they raise speed limit only by 10 km/h.
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Old December 7th, 2008, 11:39 PM   #1389
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i think 110km/h is an optimum speed for safety on mountainous motorways.also is very economic.for example i made a trip to pitesti a month ago on romanian a1(aprox 100km) with an opel corsa.he drove 140-150km/h and average fuel consumption was 12l/100km.when we return i drove 100-110km/h with an average fuel consumption of 6l/100km.time difference was just 15minutes.so practicly if u drive 100-110km/h instead of 140-150km/h u are paid with 6euro/15min of sitting on your car chair.it means 24euro/h payment for just sitting on a chair.i am sure that u can't find any manager that will pay u 24euro/h just for just sitting.or if u find one please announce me very fast.
and don't forget the lower maintenance cost for your car.also if u are in a hurry i think u can drive 120 and you won't get fined.
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Old December 7th, 2008, 11:43 PM   #1390
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Yes. 110 km/h speed limit is pain in the ass. They made such a nice modern motorway out of old crappy road but they raise speed limit only by 10 km/h.
yes, but don't forget that on a normal road speed limits are variable(villages, sharp curves) so you couldn't drive 100km/h all the time.however on a motorway u can keep a constant 110.the time economy on a motorway is mainly because of constant driving at speed limits and not because exceeding these speed limits.
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you are right. but irritating things are straight parts of those mountanious motorways. for example, at A4 in Croatia around Novi Marof there is 4 km straight part where 110 km/h is really stupid. and they didn't put 130 of course.
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Old December 8th, 2008, 12:05 AM   #1392
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@panda80: old road was half-motorway, so no villages and sharp curves. And even have 130 km/h limit near Rijeka where motorway was already completed if I remember correctly.

@x-type: Yeah, I know that straight section around Novi Marof. I never drive 110 there. I think A4 is the worst Croatian motorway.
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@panda80: old road was half-motorway, so no villages and sharp curves. And even have 130 km/h limit near Rijeka where motorway was already completed if I remember correctly.
i thought you were talking about national road 12, parallel with the motorway.
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i thought you were talking about national road 12, parallel with the motorway.
parallel road with A6 is D3
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parallel road with A6 is D3
sorry...has it changed in the last years?on my de agostini road atlas from 2005 is national road 12.
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sorry...has it changed in the last years?on my de agostini road atlas from 2005 is national road 12.
it used to be road 12 in yugoslav times. Croatia got new road numbers soon after getting independence. Goričan - Varaždin - Novi Marof - Zagreb - Karlovac - Delnice - Rijeka - Pazin - Pula got number D3. but as we didn't have A numbers till 2001, it became messy. why? because opening new sections of motorways (A4; A1 and A6) meant moving D3 from state road to newly opened motorway. so when D3 would move to new motorway section, old road would get Ž number (county road, what is lower degree than D road (state road)). when A numbers appeared, moving D roads to motorways was stopped, but they havn't got back where they belong. and now we have a mess: instead of D3 was road parallel to A4, A1 and A6, it is inconsistant. but generally it should be parallel to motorway. i hope they will change it back.
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it used to be road 12 in yugoslav times. Croatia got new road numbers soon after getting independence. Goričan - Varaždin - Novi Marof - Zagreb - Karlovac - Delnice - Rijeka - Pazin - Pula got number D3. but as we didn't have A numbers till 2001, it became messy. why? because opening new sections of motorways (A4; A1 and A6) meant moving D3 from state road to newly opened motorway. so when D3 would move to new motorway section, old road would get Ž number (county road, what is lower degree than D road (state road)). when A numbers appeared, moving D roads to motorways was stopped, but they havn't got back where they belong. and now we have a mess: instead of D3 was road parallel to A4, A1 and A6, it is inconsistant. but generally it should be parallel to motorway. i hope they will change it back.
Wow! This gave me a headache
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me too. who wants to understand, read slowly and make notes
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Old December 8th, 2008, 11:21 PM   #1399
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I also sometimes write "paranoically" like Radi.
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oh you ******* ******* idiots, you don't know what good motorway is, your poor slovene and croat motorways have different color of stopping lame, look at struma motorway it has black stopping lame as it was 3 years ago when it was paved. and it has nice shinny crashbarriers and not ugly croat A type **** you idiots, we don't get EU money for building struma further because EU is affraid that Bulgaria could have the most beatifull motorway in the world
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