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Old December 24th, 2008, 11:16 AM   #1441
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Today they opened 40 km of A1 motorway Šestanovac - Ravča (between Split and Dubrovnik) and 4 km of a 4-lane expressway to the port of Ploče. I hardly found anything in Croatian media, except Vjesnik, I don't have any pics either.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 07:34 PM   #1442
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Beautiful motorway. I've read it's rather bad though. I hope they won't build a low-budget motorway to Dubrovnik/Montenegro.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 08:07 PM   #1443
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Dubrovnik is quite far away yet...

does the ploce-dubrovnik section recquire a full profile?

how much is the estimated traffic volume on that section?
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Old December 24th, 2008, 09:19 PM   #1444
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It's the Adriatic-Ionian motorway (or sth like that), so it would be nice if it would be 100% motorway, or at least dual carriageway without any traffic lights.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 09:59 PM   #1445
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Dubrovnik is quite far away yet...
actually the sign is absolutely wrong. Ravča - Dubrovnik is 135 km. add those 29 and you get some 20 km minus
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Old December 24th, 2008, 10:03 PM   #1446
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It's the Adriatic-Ionian motorway (or sth like that), so it would be nice if it would be 100% motorway, or at least dual carriageway without any traffic lights.
I agree, if the region enters Schengen or becomes more and more a touristic spot, a motorway with 2x2 lanes isn't that crazy at all. Especially the Dubrovnik region and Montenegro have great tourism potential, and you don't want every town along the Jadranska Magistrala to be clogged during the summer period. Better do it now and good than having to wait several years due to procedures and NIMBY's when it's really needed.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 10:18 PM   #1447
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unfortunately, i'm affraid that A1 will stop near Ploče and there will enter into B&H. i hope i am wrong, but they have changed route and it smells like that. we'll see.
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Old December 24th, 2008, 10:37 PM   #1448
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The motorway in BIH will be opened 50 years after Rijeka - Trieste.
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Old December 25th, 2008, 12:04 AM   #1449
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It looks like, that second bridge will be much different than first one. Is it going to be from steel?
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Old December 25th, 2008, 05:39 AM   #1450
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The motorway in BIH will be opened 50 years after Rijeka - Trieste.
year more or less - you're right
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It looks like, that second bridge will be much different than first one. Is it going to be from steel?
i think it will be the same. it won't be steel definitely, and those 2 carriers which seem to make difference from old one - i think it's just temporary stuff helping while it is u/c. it would be ugly if it would be different. and there is too deep canyon, it must have large span as old one.
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Old December 25th, 2008, 09:46 AM   #1451
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I agree, if the region enters Schengen or becomes more and more a touristic spot, a motorway with 2x2 lanes isn't that crazy at all. Especially the Dubrovnik region and Montenegro have great tourism potential, and you don't want every town along the Jadranska Magistrala to be clogged during the summer period. Better do it now and good than having to wait several years due to procedures and NIMBY's when it's really needed.
ok, but when is it better to divide the construction into 2 phases: at first a half profile, and some years later the 2nd half?

e.g.: was it clever to build the istrian Y in 2 phases?

IMO it is better to build half profile when the estimated traffic volume is under 12-15.000 in 5 years perspective...

this way the spared money (some 30% of the full profile) can be used for another important projects (that is: 50% more roads) and you wont have roads with overcapacity...

ofcourse when you have more than enough money and building capacity you need no such "spend your money carefully" games...
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Old December 25th, 2008, 11:11 AM   #1452
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In Poland they also make most quiet S-roads half profile, but if they want to they can lay the other half immediately. Most viaducts have room for the second half and the only big things to be constructed are a few river bridges. However, the terrain is relatively easy to deal with: flat (especially northern Poland). Croatia isn't flat at all, so when making high bridges and viaducts you'd already have to build the one for the second half as well. When you've done that, the full profile motorway is almost finished already
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Old December 25th, 2008, 12:06 PM   #1453
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well, if they make an expressway to Dubrovnik instead of motorway, it will still have 4 lanes (with greenery) and denivelated exits so it will still be good road not to complain about. they definitely won't build something 1+1
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Old December 25th, 2008, 01:13 PM   #1454
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Croatia isn't flat at all, so when making high bridges and viaducts you'd already have to build the one for the second half as well. When you've done that, the full profile motorway is almost finished already
nope.
look at the istrian Y or the A1/A6 between karlovac and rijeka: overpasses above the motorway are for 2x2 full profile, but nothing else.

nor the earthworks, neither the objects of the motorway (nor the little bridges neither the jumbo viaducts and tunnels...)

all of them are built/done in the 2nd phase...

but in some cases you are right:
it is better to build in one phase some objects, e.g. arch bridges above gorges, or large cablestayed, or suspension bridges above rivers...
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Old January 6th, 2009, 03:27 PM   #1455
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Old January 6th, 2009, 05:12 PM   #1456
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These are some Timon-astonishing pics

By the way, what is "versolina" doing in the tags?
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Old January 6th, 2009, 05:30 PM   #1457
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Versolina is that 2-lane road with the motorway sign. In the local thread there's a tag "Verso is a Croat"; quite funny. Lovely winter pics!
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Old January 6th, 2009, 05:35 PM   #1458
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look at the istrian Y or the A1/A6 between karlovac and rijeka: overpasses above the motorway are for 2x2 full profile, but nothing else.


The A1/A6 between Karlovac and Rijeka is completely finished in ful profile a month (or so) ago.
As for the the Istrian Y, you're right, but its upgrade is U/C, at least in some (important) parts. I don't know when it will be finished though.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 09:47 PM   #1459
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there's a tag "Verso is a Croat"; quite funny.

Probably because your Croatian is perfect
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Old January 6th, 2009, 10:08 PM   #1460
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It's not bad.
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