[HR] Croatian motorways / Autoceste

[Verso]

So 9 km of A11 were opened today, which lead nowhere? Does anyone have a map with its exact location?

[mati162c]

any photos???
maybe there are some in croatian some forum?!
aren't there???

[bubach_hlubach]

Originally Posted by Ban.BL

narrow? No it is not heart of Amsterdam there are barely any cyclist there.

This photo is great
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3...ovratno008.jpg

According to what our Croatian fellow, whose occupation is road maintanance, and is very familiar with the situation on the island of Krk, says - that in fact, there was obviously a need for the bike path because lots of tourists use it in the tourist season as well as before and after it due to increased traffic. Athough, he is not sure about any future plans to build more bike paths on the island, he thinks there are certainly more needed.

Originally Posted by MountMan

Staza je napravljena od odvojka za Valbisku do obilaznice grada Krka. Ne prolazi kroz nijedno mjesto. Ali je bila potrebna jer su biciklisti, kao i svugdje u jakim turističkim destinacijama, vrlo prisutni u predsezoni, sezoni i posezoni, upravo kada i ima najviše prometa.
Najvjerojatnije će biti povezana sa nekim pješačko biciklističkim stazama u prirodi, a vrlo se lako poveže i s nekom budućom stazom prema Malinskoj (moguća izgradnja uz cestu za Malinsku, dijelom paralelnu sa D102).
Stvarne planove izgradnje biciklističkih staza na Krku ne znam, ali znam da ima potrebe.

Besides, doesn't it figure it was built for a reason? I ain't quite sure who the heck would've spent the extra money on a frivolous project, not nowadays anyway.

[Zanovijetalo]

Originally Posted by mati162c

any photos???

Reposting from Cro Motorway SSC section

Originally Posted by Gabriel_Batistuta

Jučer je otvorena nova dionica autoceste Zagreb-Sisak,
odnosno dionica duga devet kilometara između Velike Gorice i Buševca.

[Verso]

OMG, is gravel the only possible access to this new motorway??

[Zanovijetalo]

Pfff so attentive to details...

We have local elections next week so things are getting *open* as we speak - tomorrow at noon the beginning of the construction on the very south, Dubrovnik-Doli A1 section, will be opened.

Btw Zagreb Sisak is said to be completed by the summer of 2011, this southern section in 30 months.

[x-type]

Originally Posted by Verso

OMG, is gravel the only possible access to this new motorway??

it isnot, but currently those 9 km are useless unless you're traveling from southern Velika Gorica to Novo Selo Lekeničko

[Ban.BL]

at least someone will profit

[pijanec]

Originally Posted by cross

Statal road D102, Island of Krk
09/05/'09.

The road is beautiful, indeed. But I have one question.

Why did Croatia lately move to American style speed limits signage? Instead of European typical general system 90-50-90 (build up areas - outside build up areas + adopt speed to road conditions), they put tons of speed limits signs separately on every stretch of the road. Why do you even still have a general speed limits then?

So lately they are putting like 30 speed limit signs on 10 kms of road which previously just had general speed limit of 90 km/h. Not to mention those new speed limits are ridiculously low. Even if road is completely straight they would put like 80 km/h instead of just let general speed limit to apply.

[x-type]

Originally Posted by pijanec

So lately they are putting like 30 speed limit signs on 10 kms of road which previously just had general speed limit of 90 km/h. Not to mention those new speed limits are ridiculously low. Even if road is completely straight they would put like 80 km/h instead of just let general speed limit to apply.

my opinion is because road constructors and firms for road equipment don't care about new speed limits (which are not that new anymore), so we still have tonnes of new 80 and 100 km/h signs instead of 90 and 110.

[ChrisZwolle]

Originally Posted by pijanec

Why did Croatia lately move to American style speed limits signage? Instead of European typical general system 90-50-90 (build up areas - outside build up areas + adopt speed to road conditions), they put tons of speed limits signs separately on every stretch of the road. Why do you even still have a general speed limits then?

In my opinion, a different speed limit for each road conditions add to the credibility of a speed limit. Having just one fixed speed limit for a whole road system is very predictable, but also leads to numerous occasions where there speed limit is too low for the looks of the road, hence more speed violations by drivers. Germany does a pretty good job with that.

[bubach_hlubach]

A random shot of A2.

[Ban.BL]

Originally Posted by pijanec

The road is beautiful, indeed. But I have one question.

Why did Croatia lately move to American style speed limits signage? Instead of European typical general system 90-50-90 (build up areas - outside build up areas + adopt speed to road conditions), they put tons of speed limits signs separately on every stretch of the road. Why do you even still have a general speed limits then?

So lately they are putting like 30 speed limit signs on 10 kms of road which previously just had general speed limit of 90 km/h. Not to mention those new speed limits are ridiculously low. Even if road is completely straight they would put like 80 km/h instead of just let general speed limit to apply.

It has always been like that, it is not some new thing, it was like that in whole Yugoslavia and i think it is better like that than the situation with general speed limit. They are reminding people how fast can they drive. I had situation when i was in Hungary i missed general speed limitation sign at the border and in whole Hungary at least that stretch that i have driven there are no speed limitation signs
I was pissed.

[zezi]

Originally Posted by Verso

So 9 km of A11 were opened today, which lead nowhere? Does anyone have a map with its exact location?

Red part was opened on saturday
Green part is UC - next year will be finished
Blue part - still in our dreams

http://www.huka.hr/Mreza-autocesta/

[Verso]

Hm, but the red part doesn't look like 9 km..

[zezi]

Originally Posted by Verso

Hm, but the red part doesn't look like 9 km..

I think it is 7,5 km highway + 1,5 km access roads

And map isn't good, also!

[x-type]

map is quite wrong. here is how it looks like:

blue - previously built "corn field - corn field" motorway
red - opened last week
green - u/c

[mati162c]

it really is useless, btw why have they built thisVelika Gorica interchange at first???
what for???
it looks like before opening of this 9-km. stretch it was at least a good cycling road...

[Verso]

Thanks for the map, x-type! Is there any connecting road from the end of the motorway by Buševec to the main road? Too bad it isn't tolled yet; I'd be interested in AADT.

[ChrisZwolle]

Originally Posted by Verso

I'd be interested in AADT.

I once did a traffic count on a road that had 9 AADT