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Old May 11th, 2009, 01:34 AM   #1841
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Old May 11th, 2009, 05:30 PM   #1842
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Statal road D102, Island of Krk
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The road is beautiful, indeed. But I have one question.

Why did Croatia lately move to American style speed limits signage? Instead of European typical general system 90-50-90 (build up areas - outside build up areas + adopt speed to road conditions), they put tons of speed limits signs separately on every stretch of the road. Why do you even still have a general speed limits then?

So lately they are putting like 30 speed limit signs on 10 kms of road which previously just had general speed limit of 90 km/h. Not to mention those new speed limits are ridiculously low. Even if road is completely straight they would put like 80 km/h instead of just let general speed limit to apply.
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Old May 11th, 2009, 07:12 PM   #1843
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So lately they are putting like 30 speed limit signs on 10 kms of road which previously just had general speed limit of 90 km/h. Not to mention those new speed limits are ridiculously low. Even if road is completely straight they would put like 80 km/h instead of just let general speed limit to apply.
my opinion is because road constructors and firms for road equipment don't care about new speed limits (which are not that new anymore), so we still have tonnes of new 80 and 100 km/h signs instead of 90 and 110.
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Old May 11th, 2009, 07:19 PM   #1844
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Why did Croatia lately move to American style speed limits signage? Instead of European typical general system 90-50-90 (build up areas - outside build up areas + adopt speed to road conditions), they put tons of speed limits signs separately on every stretch of the road. Why do you even still have a general speed limits then?
In my opinion, a different speed limit for each road conditions add to the credibility of a speed limit. Having just one fixed speed limit for a whole road system is very predictable, but also leads to numerous occasions where there speed limit is too low for the looks of the road, hence more speed violations by drivers. Germany does a pretty good job with that.
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Old May 12th, 2009, 01:18 AM   #1845
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A random shot of A2.



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Old May 12th, 2009, 01:05 PM   #1846
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The road is beautiful, indeed. But I have one question.

Why did Croatia lately move to American style speed limits signage? Instead of European typical general system 90-50-90 (build up areas - outside build up areas + adopt speed to road conditions), they put tons of speed limits signs separately on every stretch of the road. Why do you even still have a general speed limits then?

So lately they are putting like 30 speed limit signs on 10 kms of road which previously just had general speed limit of 90 km/h. Not to mention those new speed limits are ridiculously low. Even if road is completely straight they would put like 80 km/h instead of just let general speed limit to apply.
It has always been like that, it is not some new thing, it was like that in whole Yugoslavia and i think it is better like that than the situation with general speed limit. They are reminding people how fast can they drive. I had situation when i was in Hungary i missed general speed limitation sign at the border and in whole Hungary at least that stretch that i have driven there are no speed limitation signs
I was pissed.

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Old May 12th, 2009, 04:38 PM   #1847
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So 9 km of A11 were opened today, which lead nowhere? Does anyone have a map with its exact location?



Red part was opened on saturday
Green part is UC - next year will be finished
Blue part - still in our dreams

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Old May 12th, 2009, 05:39 PM   #1848
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Hm, but the red part doesn't look like 9 km..
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Old May 12th, 2009, 05:58 PM   #1849
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Hm, but the red part doesn't look like 9 km..
I think it is 7,5 km highway + 1,5 km access roads

And map isn't good, also!
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map is quite wrong. here is how it looks like:

blue - previously built "corn field - corn field" motorway
red - opened last week
green - u/c

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Old May 12th, 2009, 09:07 PM   #1851
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it really is useless, btw why have they built thisVelika Gorica interchange at first???
what for???
it looks like before opening of this 9-km. stretch it was at least a good cycling road...
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Thanks for the map, x-type! Is there any connecting road from the end of the motorway by Buševec to the main road? Too bad it isn't tolled yet; I'd be interested in AADT.
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I'd be interested in AADT.
I once did a traffic count on a road that had 9 AADT
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Reason for V.Gorica interchange
AADT on old road
Zagreb - V. Gorica about 40 000
V. Gorica - Sisak about 11 000



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Yes, there are conecting roads at both ends of this newly open part of motorway!
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actually, people who drove there said that they have seen surprisingly much cars (of course, you cannot expect 20000, but they expected (as we, too) some 100 cars per day

and why is it opened? we have local elections soon (i don't know whether this sunday, or one after this)
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Reason for V.Gorica interchange
AADT on old road
Zagreb - V. Gorica about 40 000
V. Gorica - Sisak about 11 000
motorway will not help a lot to solve the crowds at Velikogorička, which has huge suburban traffic (at route Velika Gorica - Zagreb and vice versa). long distance traffic (from Sisak) is not small, but still huge crowds will remain
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Old May 12th, 2009, 09:48 PM   #1857
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actually, people who drove there said that they have seen surprisingly much cars (of course, you cannot expect 20000, but they expected (as we, too) some 100 cars per day

and why is it opened? we have local elections soon (i don't know whether this sunday, or one after this)
Lot of cars this Sunday. I guess people were curious!
Also 5 bikes. Not motorcycles. Powered by legs!
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Old May 13th, 2009, 11:50 AM   #1858
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narrow? No it is not heart of Amsterdam there are barely any cyclist there.

This photo is great
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3...ovratno008.jpg
There are many cyclists on Krk during the warmer part of the year.
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Old May 13th, 2009, 12:24 PM   #1859
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Lot of cars this Sunday. I guess people were curious!
Also 5 bikes. Not motorcycles. Powered by legs!
I planned to go by bike to see new motorway Velka Gorica - Buševec... I wanted to incorporate it in my bike trip and take some photos, i guess there isnt much traffic, is it doable?
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There are many cyclists on Krk during the warmer part of the year.
yes but not that many to need a wider track
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