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Old June 3rd, 2009, 12:54 AM   #1901
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Poorly designed motorway and tunnel were sure as hell responsible for the damn crash, right! The rock wall beside the tunnel should have sensed the sucker coming at it while flying at 200 km/h, and should've moved out if his way. Ya know, just like in a cartoon movie. Thank dear God, he did not cause more deaths or injuries by his careless driving.

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Old June 3rd, 2009, 03:00 AM   #1902
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I think pijanec was replying to x-type and talking about open motorway, not driving 200 km/h in tunnels (at least I hope). I doubt he was trying to say it was a poorly designed motorway. If someone, who already has guts to go 200 km/h, can't do it on a properly designed motorway, he's obviously drunk, asleep (hard to believe though), has a heart attack or whatever. In this particular case, of course it was the tunnel's fault, but as it has to be there, it was his own fault. Going into a tunnel with 200 km/h is insane.

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Old June 3rd, 2009, 11:12 AM   #1903
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I find this sentence funny because in Albanian "pijanec" means drunkard.
in serbian, coatian also
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 01:37 PM   #1904
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 06:07 PM   #1905
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I think pijanec was replying to x-type and talking about open motorway,
i think (and hope) that too. i did those 220 at ZG bypass, so straight and good motorway. but anyway, i was really affraid to pass other cars with that speed because they allways seemed to me as changing into my lane.
about this crash - that gap shouldn't be there, but even if there was barrier made like at that itralian tunnel, it wouldn't save them at all neither.
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 08:22 PM   #1906
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Why are you all turning my words around? I've NEVER said going with 200 km/h thru a tunnel is a smart idea, never said that I drive at that speed or that it is a tunnel's fault for this accident. It was clearly driver's fault.

I was only talking about motorway design! speed which is in case of tunnels from 100-120 km/h which is good enough for actual speed of 200 km/h. Sure there is a human factor, traffic, possible environmetal factors and common sense telling us this is stupidity, but road itself does safely allow speeds like that. Every road designer can tell you the same.

If someone would close motorway for traffic in nice sunny weather and give 100 people a chance to drive thru tunnel Sv. Marko with speed of 200 km/h, I bet they will all pass without problem. In perfect conditions this shouldn't be a problem but real life with its dynamic traffic demand to be very cautious when in tunnel.

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Old June 3rd, 2009, 10:03 PM   #1907
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never said that I drive at that speed or that it is a tunnel's fault for this accident.
Had the tunnel not been there, the driver wouldn't've crashed. I can't imagine driving 200 km/h through a tunnel. Must be terrifying.
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 11:03 PM   #1908
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Depends on the curves inside the tunnel and its lenght, I guess.

I never exceed 120 through tunnels. But once, some 15 years ago, I drove 170 km/h through crappy and curvy Slovenian tunnel. It was really nothing special from driver's point of view.
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Old June 3rd, 2009, 11:40 PM   #1909
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Depends on the curves inside the tunnel and its lenght, I guess.
Sveti Marko is not difficult tunnel. it is short, about 250 meters, straught, the only problem could be a little saddle (pass) inside of it.
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Old June 4th, 2009, 12:12 AM   #1911
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There's a thing bothering me - is it forbidden to overpass in a tunnel? If yes (as it says on the sign next to the burned car), why are the road markings in the tunnel allowing it? If it is allowed (as I think it is and act like it is), then why is that sign there?
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Old June 4th, 2009, 12:43 AM   #1912
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There's a thing bothering me - is it forbidden to overpass in a tunnel? If yes (as it says on the sign next to the burned car), why are the road markings in the tunnel allowing it? If it is allowed (as I think it is and act like it is), then why is that sign there?
that's a pearl from road equipers of course there should be sign "forbidden overpassing for cargo vehicles" instead of this one
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Old June 4th, 2009, 06:49 PM   #1913
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Had the tunnel not been there, the driver wouldn't've crashed. I can't imagine driving 200 km/h through a tunnel. Must be terrifying.
Here is how it looks like.
(Longfield-Split)



Looks like a wormhole
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Old June 4th, 2009, 08:37 PM   #1914
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if someone did that in a swiss tunnel, they would have been castrated on the spot
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Old June 4th, 2009, 08:54 PM   #1915
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well this wasn't on the highway and tunnel doesn't have cameras

our most famous race driver was caught by camera driving in tunnel 220+ km/h
he was fined ofc (something serious it was, can't remember)

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Old June 4th, 2009, 10:51 PM   #1916
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well this wasn't on the highway and tunnel doesn't have cameras

our most famous race driver was caught by camera driving in tunnel 220+ km/h
he was fined ofc (something serious it was, can't remember)
it was as soon as Sveti Rok tunnel was opened. there was some guy who did 180 in tunnel and then came Pulić who said that it is unsafe to drive in that way excetp you were a professional driver and said that he could do it faster. of course that media didn't like those his idiotic claims and i don't remember him that much in public after that shit
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But are those motorway cameras licensed to be used as a speed measurement devices? In most countries this will not hold in court.
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But are those motorway cameras licensed to be used as a speed measurement devices? In most countries this will not hold in court.
no. those cameras for supervising the traffic i think don't mean anything at the court. they can be helping meaning, but not the main prove
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Old June 5th, 2009, 12:05 PM   #1919
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no. those cameras for supervising the traffic i think don't mean anything at the court. they can be helping meaning, but not the main prove
I think this will change in Croatia.
It is under consideration, to change law, so recording from traffic cameras will be recognized as evidence. But not for speed measuring. For overtaking were is not allowed, doing U turns, stopping on forbiden places...
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Old June 5th, 2009, 02:04 PM   #1920
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But then every camera will need a sign next to it telling people are recorded or else they will be violating personal privacy.
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