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Old March 24th, 2017, 06:32 PM   #2661
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Thanks, I asked because I saw the GR motorway map in wikipedia (greek text) which denoted a section under construction. Obviously, it is a mistake.

I want to ask about the so called A4 between Larisa and Trikala. Is it a pure motorway with emergency lanes or it is a 2x2 expressway?
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Old March 24th, 2017, 09:46 PM   #2662
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A bit of legislative archaeology ahead of the completion of the latest sections of Α1: after a number of false positives (since the law in question didn't say which ΦΕΚ it came from), I found the 1955 system of National Roads (ΦΕΚ Α 222/20.08.1955).

The numbering system is completely different from the 1963 system that mostly survives to this day. The ΕΟ1 of 1955 goes via Elefsina instead of Kifissia.

The single-digit numbers are confined to the modern Attica region. As with the 1963 system, there are Airport National Roads, but most are all in the ΕΟ90s.

There is no evidence yet of whether they saw any use, because ΦΕΚ Α 47/08.02.1956 quotes them by the route instead of number.

Speaking of which, how will toll-free traffic navigate the Tempi valley when the Α1 is completed there? There is an unused junction north of Larissa, at Evangelismos, and toll-free traffic currently has to make some kind of detour near Pyrgetos.
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Old March 25th, 2017, 12:36 AM   #2663
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The national road Trikala - Larisa is part of EO6 and during last years was upgraded to a 2x2 motorway (blue signs) with no emergency lanes. Also it was never classified as highway A4 and map in Wikipedia is wrong. A4 is reserved for a future highway between A1 and A3, with no chance to be constructed..

After delivery of new tunnels in Tempi area, the old national road will not be toll free but will be charged with lower toll than today.
Initially the plan was to keep existing toll station in Pyrgetos area but finally it will be moved to Tempi village before valley.
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Old March 25th, 2017, 09:17 AM   #2664
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Hi guys. Some fresh infos about A52 (Preveza-Amvrakia) are available?
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Old March 25th, 2017, 11:12 AM   #2665
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The national road Trikala - Larisa is part of EO6 and during last years was upgraded to a 2x2 motorway (blue signs) with no emergency lanes. Also it was never classified as highway A4 and map in Wikipedia is wrong. A4 is reserved for a future highway between A1 and A3, with no chance to be constructed..
OK I see, I also take for granted this road has a median (at least jerseys), so that the opposite lanes are physically separated. If you mention that A4 is reserved for a virtual highway link between A1 & A3, you are referring exactly to the same connection Larisa-Trikala, aren't you? Apparently, there is no other need for a highway in the region there.

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Old March 25th, 2017, 05:36 PM   #2666
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A4/EO6

The A-number allocations in 2008 were in the eyes of most people reflecting the over-optimistic expectations for road building at the time. The then A4 was removed in the latest motorway numbering in 2015.

However, there is another 'catch' regarding the 2008 allocations: As I have been informed by the Directorate of Road Infrastructure, this numbering was at the time not intending to cover just the motorways, but other significant roads as well; hence the prefix 'A' could be seen as an indication for 'first class roads' rather than solely 'motorways'. This may explain the 'A23' signs on the Komotini-Nymfaia road and the 'A27' ones on the EO3 between Ptolemaida and Florina. This idea did not survived and the 2015 decision was solely for motorways.
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Old March 25th, 2017, 08:21 PM   #2667
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A bit of legislative archaeology ahead of the completion of the latest sections of Α1: after a number of false positives (since the law in question didn't say which ΦΕΚ it came from), I found the 1955 system of National Roads (ΦΕΚ Α 222/20.08.1955).

The numbering system is completely different from the 1963 system that mostly survives to this day. The ΕΟ1 of 1955 goes via Elefsina instead of Kifissia.

The single-digit numbers are confined to the modern Attica region. As with the 1963 system, there are Airport National Roads, but most are all in the ΕΟ90s.

There is no evidence yet of whether they saw any use, because ΦΕΚ Α 47/08.02.1956 quotes them by the route instead of number.

Speaking of which, how will toll-free traffic navigate the Tempi valley when the Α1 is completed there? There is an unused junction north of Larissa, at Evangelismos, and toll-free traffic currently has to make some kind of detour near Pyrgetos.
You will be surprised to know that the first national road numbering was issued in 1928-29. On ΦΕΚ Α108/28.6.1928, 198 roads were classified as ‘national’ numbered sequentially from Thraki to Peloponnisos and then to the islands – Dodekanisa was not part of Greece at the time. Three more roads were numbered (199-201) in another law regarding road construction (ΦΕΚ Α421/28.11.1929), while some more (202-253) were added on the same date (ΦΕΚ Α422/28.11.1929). At the same time the then provincial roads were issued, but this was done on a large amount of separate ΦΕΚ’s, so it is difficult to search for them. On the last ΦΕΚ mentioned above, you may find some additions to provincial roads as well.

These numbers were used only for administrative use, as signs at the were almost non-existent. No need to mention that even some roads were non-existent as well. The then national road 111 has survived to the ‘oral tradition’ as all people living in the area still mention EO33 as 111. This number has been included on Google Maps as well.

The 1955 numbering was also sequential for numbers 1-75, starting from Athens. The rest numbers (76-85) seem to be additions at a later stage, which were included at the end of numbering, probably in order not to ‘disturb’ the 1-75 sequence. Again these numbers were used for administrative use only. One can find these numbers, for example, at the definition of the then European roads in Greece – it was a Circular issued by the Ministry of Public Works in 16.1.1960 (Γ2091). EO1 was routed throuh EO3 as at the time this was the main south-north connection.

The 1963 numbers started appearing on signs at the earlier stages; I remember quite a lot of direction signs in Athens showing EO1 that had survived into the late 1970’s. There were also some indicators, some of which survive, but these were concentrated solely in Sterea Ellas (Fthiotida only), Thessalia, Ipeiros, Dytiki Makedonia and Anatoliki Makedonia and Thraki. I suspect this was a pilot scheme that was suspended later. The exception was of some direction showing EO1 and EO8 in and around Kifisias Avenue; some still survive. Numbers re-appeared after 1992 with the construction of motorways, with the well known problems.

(*) ΦΕΚ: Government Gazette
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Old March 25th, 2017, 08:48 PM   #2668
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A4/EO6

The A-number allocations in 2008 were in the eyes of most people reflecting the over-optimistic expectations for road building at the time. The then A4 was removed in the latest motorway numbering in 2015.

However, there is another 'catch' regarding the 2008 allocations: As I have been informed by the Directorate of Road Infrastructure, this numbering was at the time not intending to cover just the motorways, but other significant roads as well; hence the prefix 'A' could be seen as an indication for 'first class roads' rather than solely 'motorways'. This may explain the 'A23' signs on the Komotini-Nymfaia road and the 'A27' ones on the EO3 between Ptolemaida and Florina. This idea did not survived and the 2015 decision was solely for motorways.
ОК we can simply say that A4 is missing from the notation of the Greek motorways today but the implication is for the existing road from Trikala to Larisa.

I know about these double digits A2x, being branches of the main backbone A2. Of course there is difference between A29 from the one hand, the most similar to it yet not a pure motorway A25 from the other hand and A21 or even A23 from the third hand. Actually it is visible that all the odd numbers of the A20s are going north toward the borders whereas the even ones are heading south to the Aegean Sea.
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Old March 28th, 2017, 03:23 PM   #2669
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With all honesty, after managing to trace down the opening dates of some of the NEOs (New National Roads), I am still at a loss as to how the suffixes like EO1a and EO8a came around, given that they must have been around long before the 1998 list by the Greek Statistical Service (The EO8a appeared in ΦΕΚ B 664/1995).

In https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/...l_Road_Network I am actually trying to trace when each number actually made their debuts (particularly with EO1a, EO8a and EO10).

I do not have the time to sift through every single ΦΕΚ from 1963 to 1998, given that the ΦΕΚ obviously covers everything government related.
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Old March 28th, 2017, 04:52 PM   #2670
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The α/β/γ/δ designations that were introduced by the statistical authority are not officially recognized by other government bodies, and they should not be used on maps etc. The only official suffixed numbers are 1α, 8α, 9α, 16α and 34α which are way older than the first catalogue of the Hellenic Statistical Authority, published in 1998.
FEKs are a good source of such information; however, keep in mind that a lot of information of this kind, may only be found in ministerial acts, not published in FEKs.
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Just to add to Stavros86, the ONLY suffixed national roads are the 1α, 8α, 9α, 16α and 34α. The last two are included in the 1963 numbering decision and I know that 1α was included in the maps issued by the Directorate of Road Infrastructure (then ΔΜΕΟ) in 1966; I assume that 8α was included there too, but I have no evidence. The 9α must be an addition from the late 70's or early 80's.

The same case that Stavros86 stated about the Hellenic Statistical Authority Registry applies also with the 3-digit numbers: They should not be used in maps.
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Old March 28th, 2017, 11:13 PM   #2672
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Official opening day of A1 25 km Evangelismos-Skotina section with the Tempi and Platamonas tunnels, is 6th of April. PM Tsipras will attend. From 6th of April after decades of construction the whole route between the two largests cities of Greece, Athens and Thessaloniki, on a length of 505 km will be a continuous motorway.

Rumors for other parts: first week of April, Klokova-Kefalovryso on A5 and trying hard to finish before 1st of May the Antirrio-Klokova section which includes the Klokova tunnel.
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Old March 30th, 2017, 06:50 PM   #2673
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A new progress (January 2017) video of A3 motorway.

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Old March 30th, 2017, 07:21 PM   #2674
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Are there currently any construction works from Lamia (A1 & A3 junction) to Xyniada?
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Currently there isn't any activity in that section.
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Old March 31st, 2017, 03:15 PM   #2676
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Is there any information about the official opening of A25 (Provatas-Kato Christos)? I guess this section will be in service before Easter.
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Old April 2nd, 2017, 12:10 PM   #2677
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the panagopoula tunnels in athens - patras highway opened yesterday
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Old April 3rd, 2017, 08:35 PM   #2678
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A recent video from A8 Korinthos - Patra (01.04.2017)




And a video from Panagopoula tunnels in direction from Patra to Korinthos, which delivered to traffic last Friday.
The main tunnel is 4km long and is currently the second longest road tunnel in Greece (3rd in few days)


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Old April 3rd, 2017, 09:11 PM   #2679
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A better video of the 3 Panagopoula tunnels:

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How long is the section which has been opened last Friday?
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