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Old June 23rd, 2009, 02:05 PM   #581
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Egnatia is an amazing motorway. The only thing i'm worried about is the maintenance of the actual road surface. Also is anyone has any updates on the opening of the service stations??
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 08:04 PM   #582
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Thank you. Since I'll be going to Kavala this weekend, I hope roadworks will not start that soon.
No, they will start at a later stage.
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 09:14 PM   #583
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Hmmm I'm afraid Zaro that roadworks on Amfipoli-Kavala section of A2 Motorway started this week and will last for one month! So drivers going from Kavala to Thessaloniki thwy will use the old national road for this section. From Thessaloniki to Kavala A2 is used normally.

http://www.egnatia.eu/page/default.a...&pk=261&ap=362

(its in greek..)
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 09:15 PM   #584
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Are there plans to make the E75 between Polykastro and E90 a full motorway?
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 09:20 PM   #585
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Hmmm I'm afraid Zaro that roadworks on Amfipoli-Kavala section of A2 Motorway started this week and will last for one month! So drivers going from Kavala to Thessaloniki thwy will use the old national road for this section. From Thessaloniki to Kavala A2 is used normally.

http://www.egnatia.eu/page/default.a...&pk=261&ap=362

(its in greek..)
Euxaristo!

I drove along this road two years ago, when this section of E90 was still U/C. Does this mean that the section is still inoperable?

Anyway, passing by Philippi is a good option. On my way back I may take the seaside road.
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Old July 1st, 2009, 12:13 AM   #586
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Yesterday I made the Patras-Athens trip with the Suburban bus and I took some pics of the works carried on by both the companies working on Olympia Odos and the companies on the Suburban railway expansion. They're not of the highest quality but at least you can get the general idea. Enjoy:

The road before Aigio





The construction site of Olympia Odos after Aigio



Workers doing maintainance works and putting new asphalt on the road from Aigio to Diakofto











View of the town of Akrata



Construction site of the Suburban railway in Akrata



Works for the Suburban railway from Akrata to Xylokastro



















Old railway bridge near Xylokastro



Works for the Suburban railway in Xylokastro





The town of Xylokastro



Maintainance works in Olympia Odos between Xylokastro and Derveni



Works for the Suburban railway in Derveni









The Kiato railway station



Works for a new interchange of Olympia odos near the toll station of Kiato

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Old July 1st, 2009, 10:45 PM   #587
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Nice photos Arxitektonas, thanks.
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Old July 11th, 2009, 12:32 PM   #588
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Photos by @Arxitektonas are really very nice
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Old July 12th, 2009, 07:45 PM   #589
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Let’s consider to be the government of a modern European country member of the EU since 1981 and the Eurozone right from its launching. Back in 1981 your country had an equal or even better road network than countries like Spain, Portugal, Ireland or Turkey. Almost 30 years later you are lagging behind the road networks of these countries as well as some other ones like the Czech Republic, Hungary or Slovenia.

So what have you done over the years?

• You decide to upgrade the main north-south axis of the country to a motorway (A1). You start work in 1985 and in 2009 there are still some sections missing: around Lamia, the Tempi Valley, around Platamonas and the whole Axios Interchange – Polykastro section. And note that the Lamia section left so many years is an accident blackspot. However, it was delayed as you decided to postpone the start of works until 2006 and finally to follow the existing national road alignment rather than the planned one mainly to avoid the protests of local shop owners (and voters of course) and ecological concerns as it is doubtful that a research was made when planning the new alignment. And don’t forget that drivers have been paying tolls since the 1960’s on national road 1. Then you construct most of the motorway by taxpayer’s money and EU aid and when you are almost ready, you pass the operation of the road to a private enterprise, which they are now collect the toll money and are supposed to construct the remaining sections.
• You start planning Egnatia Odos (A2) back in 1968! In 1990 you have just constructed a stretch near Thessaloniki and the Anilio Tunnel – the latter by itself, with no roads approaching it either side so it was used as a useful shelter for sheep by locals! Then you start working and in 2009 you have finished the work but with a number of omissions:
o There are no fences to prohibit the wild animals to get into the road – especially the threatened Pindos bear – and after a month of the opening of the Grevena to Metsovo section 6 bears have been killed.
o There are no services areas in the entire 670km long motorway and there are just a handful of parking areas. The result is a number of accidents involving cars stopped for a break (illegally) in the emergency lane and other cars that were using the emergency lane as a normal one (also illegally); in the most recent case, a 14-year old boy was killed.
o The guys who numbered the exits in a motorway built from nothing were not able to do a single calculation of how many exits would be built. The result is to have exits 1a, 4a, 5a, 6a, 7a, 8a, 8b, 9a, 23a, 25a, 28a, 28b, 28c and 32a!
o In the middle of the summer you promote your tourism by closing lanes and even a whole section of the motorway for asphalt works – note that the section near Kavala that is closed on one direction, opened for traffic just a few months ago. And as the roadworks must not be an exclusive privillege of Egnatia Odos, this is also the summer 2009 case on the A1 and the A8 as well.
• The Athens to Patra motorway (A8) is another A1-like story. You needed about 10 years to complete the upgrade to a motorway between Elefsina and Korinthos (about 70km) and now you have just started work on the dangerous Korinthos – Patra section, again giving the rights to a private enterprise. Of course, as in the A1 case, tolls are paid since the 1960’s and drivers are still paying tolls just to play with odds to leave this vain world earlier than expected. This is the story of the A9 as well – it was given to the same company, Olympia Odos, but still accidents occur on national road 9 between Patra and Pyrgos as you have constructed a fast level road that unfortunately has no grade separated junctions and hundreds of level crossings with unmarked agricultural lanes.
• You have recently characterized sections of the north axis of Kriti (Crete) as a motorway (A90). For the vast majority of its length, this motorway has a single carriageway and the temporary eastern end is a level T-junction with a rock standing proudly straight ahead.
• You remain the only one sizeable European country with virtually no road numbers on signs. Only Monaco and the Vatican share this privilege with you. However there are two ministerial decrees concerning national road numbering (from 1963) and motorway numbering (from… 2009). But the story is as follows:
o When the 1963 system was introduced, the guys had prophetically left some numbers unused probably for future use. Then some new roads were granted national road status, but hardly half a dozen of them got numbers. As 1963 was reflecting a Cold War attitude, the system also granted national road status (and numbers) even to roads leading to military airfields, but on the other hand omitted some roads that seemed to be more useful for traffic than the airfield approaches. Nevertheless, no too much of a problem, as road numbers hardly appeared on signs – you could see them mostly on separate polls here and there and almost never on direction signs.
o Then when motorways started to appear, there was confusion as you decided to put numbers on their direction signs. At leasr you managed to settle the thing just 17 years after the first green motorways signs appeared (1992).
o In 2003 – 11 years from the erection of the first motorway signs – you managed to draft your motorway signing regulations. Although all direction signs in Greece were in mixed case, the original motorway signs appeared with all capital letters, only to state that mixed case should be the law in 2003! And also while motorway numbers were appearing using the German shield and as in Germany and Switzerland without the prefix ‘A’ signed, in 2003 you decided that this prefix should be shown on signs along with the number. The result is that, one is now seeing motorways signed as 1, 6, 8, 9, 62, 64, 65, 90 and 642 and motorways signed as A2, A5, A25, A27 and A29. And the final piece of glory: In the 2003 regulations you state that exits should be numbered according to the kilometre point they are and not in the row. But up to now, the A2, A6, A62 and A64 which have exit numbers use 1, 2, 3… Who will pay if so many signs will need to change? The tax and toll payer!
o And adding to the above, you are not guiding the guys who erect signs, so you see whatever, one thinks is the right one. For example when travelling from Athens to Korinthos drivers see the motorway signed as 8 in the one exit and then as 8a (the replaced national road number) in the next exit and so on. Attiki Odos (A6) is a bypass of Athens, but you may also see signs towards the (A)6 near Larisa (300km to the north – they put the Larisa to Trikala national road number on a motorway shield) as well as towards the A6 just outside Igoumenitsa (500km away). On the last case you also see that the exit leads to national road 1 – this is 250km to the east – as somebody mistook the exit number as a road number.
• You decide to put some ridiculous speed limits on open and safe road sections, just in order to hide a police-radar behind a tree and collect money and on the other hand by doing this stupid signing, you leave drivers unaware of a danger in the case that an erected speed limit is correct. The funny thing? In 1992, a TV show calculated that if a driver would travel from Athens to Thessaloniki by obeying the speed limit signs, he/she would need 11 hours to cover the 500km distance.
• And finally you erect road signs and then you allow to be covered by graffiti or stickers of football fans’ clubs, locksmiths, plumbers etc. or you also do nothing when somebody who happens to be disturbed by a sign just removes it. The funny thing in this case? On their backside, road signs state that a jail term of 1 year will be imposed for any damage to the sign! But drivers cannot read a road sign that is under a Panathinaïkos, Olympiakos, AEK fan club sticker and…

Of course, the above mentioned things do not reflect just to the current government, but apply to the previous ones as well. Sorry for the long – and probably disturbing – message. I will be happy to see any comments of disagreement or agreement on this.
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Old July 12th, 2009, 07:56 PM   #590
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A lot of anger there.

I can understand it though. I am working on a Dutch roadwiki describing road systems and individual roads across the globe, and the Greece numbering was one of the hardest to figure out, and even now I'm not sure if I have them all correct.

While the A2 is certainly a big piece of engineering, it came way too late... Greece is a modern and rich country, and had nearly no motorway network until the 1990's, and Athens didn't have a decent motorway network until the 2004 olympics.

Traffic safety profits greatly from motorways, also in places where motorways are economically not really feasible due to low traffic volumes. Spain and Portugal made considerable progress in traffic safety just by replacing dangerous national roads with motorways. A similar thing is visible in Poland, where traffic fatalities are still high, but dropping, while (auto)mobility is skyrocketing.

Greece is in a position where many motorways are economically not very feasible, low traffic volumes, lack of a taxpayer backup in certain areas, and low toll income do not spur motorway construction. But travel times and accessability all improve significantly by constructing motorways, giving formerly remote areas new economic development and an increase of welfare.
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Old July 12th, 2009, 08:35 PM   #591
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I am trying to help Michal Halabica at www.motorways-exitlists.com, but although the things we have put there, is as accurate as possible, they do not reflect too much what you see on signs.

However, the most anger goes actually to the last two points that regard the erected speed limits and the damage on road signs. These are matters of live and death as well.
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Old July 12th, 2009, 10:57 PM   #592
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1. @ea1969 your post was a very good and accurate description of the greek policy in motorways!

2. Some of my personal pics from the eastern part (between Thessaloniki and turkish border) of A2 motorway (Egnatia odos)













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Old July 13th, 2009, 12:42 PM   #593
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isn't it a2?
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Old July 13th, 2009, 01:07 PM   #594
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It;s definately A2, i think Mitasis got it wrong by mistake.
I also have to say that i agree 100% with what it's written above, regarding the so called 'progress' of the Greek highways, but as we say in Greece "better late than ever"...
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Old July 13th, 2009, 04:43 PM   #595
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A2 of course!!! Its edited
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Old July 14th, 2009, 11:34 AM   #596
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6 bears killed !!!!?????????????

it is terrible. After so huge work by the Greens , Arkturos and some organisations they reach what? 6 killed animals !
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Lack of barrier there suprised me
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Old July 14th, 2009, 06:10 PM   #598
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Lack of barrier there suprised me
There is barrier but especially at that part of A2 needs a special one, because bears are so powerfull and destroy the actual barriers with great facility.
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You are right marios. There is barrier, but actually its very weak to keep back bears from moving on to the motorway. So the government decided to built a new barrier at the dangerous areas which will be much stronger. Also the motorway has numerous passages for the bears, (tunnels, bridges etc), so they will try to "lead" the bears with some "tricks" to the right passage.
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This is a report from the Athens News Agency from last week. All of this happens, one month after the opening of the "dangerous" section.

Electrified fences to prevent bears' entrance onto Egnatia motorway

Environment, Town Planning and Public Works Minister George Souflias on Wednesday announced the upgrading of the fencing and the building of non-lethal electrified wires along portions of the Egnatia motorway spanning the breadth of northern Greece in order to prevent bears from entering the high-speed highway. Souflias made the statement at a meeting with brown bear protection organisations, following a number of deaths of the endangered species on the specific roadway, which criss-crosses much of the mountainous Pindus range of northwest Greece. The ministry will also begin a campaign to brief rural residents of the western Macedonia province on bears' behaviour and how to protect themselves against the predators when in the forest.
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