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Old July 14th, 2009, 10:14 PM   #601
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70 km/h?!? Is this one of those speed limits "ea1969" was talking about?
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Old July 14th, 2009, 11:22 PM   #602
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No no... speed limit at that part is normally 130 km/hr but there are works ahead thats why it has this 70 km/hr sign. If u notice the sign is in yellow fond, which shows that it is a temporary works' sign.
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Old July 14th, 2009, 11:29 PM   #603
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I thought it was a regular limit and that they put it in the square to give drivers additional warning.
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Old July 15th, 2009, 12:39 PM   #604
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Great photos of the Egnatia motorway (A2) @mitasis
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Old July 15th, 2009, 11:24 PM   #605
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I thought it was a regular limit and that they put it in the square to give drivers additional warning.
The yellow square around the sign certainly indicates a temporary speed limit due to road works, but can you spot anything like this ahead? I would not be surprised if there actually some works some months ago and the signs have been left there after they finished - it is not uncommon in Greece.
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Old July 16th, 2009, 08:32 PM   #606
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Probably there are remain few small road construction, because of the sign...
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Old July 16th, 2009, 09:01 PM   #607
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Actually at this place there are some works. It' s at the beggining of the motorway, 5 km from the greek turkish border and they are constructing a rest area which can not be seen in this pic.
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Then it is exists, thanks for the info btw @mitasis
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Old July 20th, 2009, 12:48 AM   #609
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Let’s consider to be the government of a modern European country member of the EU since 1981 and the Eurozone right from its launching. Back in 1981 your country had an equal or even better road network than countries like Spain, Portugal, Ireland or Turkey. Almost 30 years later you are lagging behind the road networks of these countries as well as some other ones like the Czech Republic, Hungary or Slovenia.

So what have you done over the years?

• You decide to upgrade the main north-south axis of the country to a motorway (A1). You start work in 1985 and in 2009 there are still some sections missing: around Lamia, the Tempi Valley, around Platamonas and the whole Axios Interchange – Polykastro section. And note that the Lamia section left so many years is an accident blackspot. However, it was delayed as you decided to postpone the start of works until 2006 and finally to follow the existing national road alignment rather than the planned one mainly to avoid the protests of local shop owners (and voters of course) and ecological concerns as it is doubtful that a research was made when planning the new alignment. And don’t forget that drivers have been paying tolls since the 1960’s on national road 1. Then you construct most of the motorway by taxpayer’s money and EU aid and when you are almost ready, you pass the operation of the road to a private enterprise, which they are now collect the toll money and are supposed to construct the remaining sections.
• You start planning Egnatia Odos (A2) back in 1968! In 1990 you have just constructed a stretch near Thessaloniki and the Anilio Tunnel – the latter by itself, with no roads approaching it either side so it was used as a useful shelter for sheep by locals! Then you start working and in 2009 you have finished the work but with a number of omissions:
o There are no fences to prohibit the wild animals to get into the road – especially the threatened Pindos bear – and after a month of the opening of the Grevena to Metsovo section 6 bears have been killed.
o There are no services areas in the entire 670km long motorway and there are just a handful of parking areas. The result is a number of accidents involving cars stopped for a break (illegally) in the emergency lane and other cars that were using the emergency lane as a normal one (also illegally); in the most recent case, a 14-year old boy was killed.
o The guys who numbered the exits in a motorway built from nothing were not able to do a single calculation of how many exits would be built. The result is to have exits 1a, 4a, 5a, 6a, 7a, 8a, 8b, 9a, 23a, 25a, 28a, 28b, 28c and 32a!
o In the middle of the summer you promote your tourism by closing lanes and even a whole section of the motorway for asphalt works – note that the section near Kavala that is closed on one direction, opened for traffic just a few months ago. And as the roadworks must not be an exclusive privillege of Egnatia Odos, this is also the summer 2009 case on the A1 and the A8 as well.
• The Athens to Patra motorway (A8) is another A1-like story. You needed about 10 years to complete the upgrade to a motorway between Elefsina and Korinthos (about 70km) and now you have just started work on the dangerous Korinthos – Patra section, again giving the rights to a private enterprise. Of course, as in the A1 case, tolls are paid since the 1960’s and drivers are still paying tolls just to play with odds to leave this vain world earlier than expected. This is the story of the A9 as well – it was given to the same company, Olympia Odos, but still accidents occur on national road 9 between Patra and Pyrgos as you have constructed a fast level road that unfortunately has no grade separated junctions and hundreds of level crossings with unmarked agricultural lanes.
• You have recently characterized sections of the north axis of Kriti (Crete) as a motorway (A90). For the vast majority of its length, this motorway has a single carriageway and the temporary eastern end is a level T-junction with a rock standing proudly straight ahead.
• You remain the only one sizeable European country with virtually no road numbers on signs. Only Monaco and the Vatican share this privilege with you. However there are two ministerial decrees concerning national road numbering (from 1963) and motorway numbering (from… 2009). But the story is as follows:
o When the 1963 system was introduced, the guys had prophetically left some numbers unused probably for future use. Then some new roads were granted national road status, but hardly half a dozen of them got numbers. As 1963 was reflecting a Cold War attitude, the system also granted national road status (and numbers) even to roads leading to military airfields, but on the other hand omitted some roads that seemed to be more useful for traffic than the airfield approaches. Nevertheless, no too much of a problem, as road numbers hardly appeared on signs – you could see them mostly on separate polls here and there and almost never on direction signs.
o Then when motorways started to appear, there was confusion as you decided to put numbers on their direction signs. At leasr you managed to settle the thing just 17 years after the first green motorways signs appeared (1992).
o In 2003 – 11 years from the erection of the first motorway signs – you managed to draft your motorway signing regulations. Although all direction signs in Greece were in mixed case, the original motorway signs appeared with all capital letters, only to state that mixed case should be the law in 2003! And also while motorway numbers were appearing using the German shield and as in Germany and Switzerland without the prefix ‘A’ signed, in 2003 you decided that this prefix should be shown on signs along with the number. The result is that, one is now seeing motorways signed as 1, 6, 8, 9, 62, 64, 65, 90 and 642 and motorways signed as A2, A5, A25, A27 and A29. And the final piece of glory: In the 2003 regulations you state that exits should be numbered according to the kilometre point they are and not in the row. But up to now, the A2, A6, A62 and A64 which have exit numbers use 1, 2, 3… Who will pay if so many signs will need to change? The tax and toll payer!
o And adding to the above, you are not guiding the guys who erect signs, so you see whatever, one thinks is the right one. For example when travelling from Athens to Korinthos drivers see the motorway signed as 8 in the one exit and then as 8a (the replaced national road number) in the next exit and so on. Attiki Odos (A6) is a bypass of Athens, but you may also see signs towards the (A)6 near Larisa (300km to the north – they put the Larisa to Trikala national road number on a motorway shield) as well as towards the A6 just outside Igoumenitsa (500km away). On the last case you also see that the exit leads to national road 1 – this is 250km to the east – as somebody mistook the exit number as a road number.
• You decide to put some ridiculous speed limits on open and safe road sections, just in order to hide a police-radar behind a tree and collect money and on the other hand by doing this stupid signing, you leave drivers unaware of a danger in the case that an erected speed limit is correct. The funny thing? In 1992, a TV show calculated that if a driver would travel from Athens to Thessaloniki by obeying the speed limit signs, he/she would need 11 hours to cover the 500km distance.
• And finally you erect road signs and then you allow to be covered by graffiti or stickers of football fans’ clubs, locksmiths, plumbers etc. or you also do nothing when somebody who happens to be disturbed by a sign just removes it. The funny thing in this case? On their backside, road signs state that a jail term of 1 year will be imposed for any damage to the sign! But drivers cannot read a road sign that is under a Panathina´kos, Olympiakos, AEK fan club sticker and…

Of course, the above mentioned things do not reflect just to the current government, but apply to the previous ones as well. Sorry for the long – and probably disturbing – message. I will be happy to see any comments of disagreement or agreement on this.
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You are right marios. There is barrier, but actually its very weak to keep back bears from moving on to the motorway. So the government decided to built a new barrier at the dangerous areas which will be much stronger. Also the motorway has numerous passages for the bears, (tunnels, bridges etc), so they will try to "lead" the bears with some "tricks" to the right passage.
Good to hear.

Somehow lessons are learned the hard way. I hope the trafficants were ok from those accidents.

Aestheticly those routes look great .
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Old July 28th, 2009, 06:42 PM   #610
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Some own pictures from the A1 motorway of Greece. This is the main greek motorway bec it is connecting the two largest metropolitan areas of the country, Athens, and Thessaloniki. The pics are taken between Volos city (A) and Tempi valley (B). At the last picture you can notice that the motorway is finishing bec the road is still under construction in Tempi valley. There is very long tunnel built there, the longest in Greece (maybe in Balkans) around 7 km, which is expected to be ready until 2011.










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Old July 29th, 2009, 05:03 PM   #611
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nice pictures mitasis! thanks for sharing. this part of the motorway is really interesting
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Old July 29th, 2009, 08:46 PM   #612
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Very nice pics indeed! It seems that it'll be a 5 star motorway when it'll be finished. Even the finished parts are looking great!
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Old July 29th, 2009, 09:17 PM   #613
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Thank you guys! I would like to add that this part is in Thessaly region and this motorway was constructed in late '90s. (except the Tempi valley part where the long tunell is under construction as i wrote at my last post)
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Old July 30th, 2009, 07:42 PM   #614
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I remember that section from my trip in Thessaloniki, last September
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Old July 31st, 2009, 05:31 PM   #615
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here are some videos I have uploaded recently

Egnatia Odos near Kavala
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RN8pAmP2FM

and Athens - Corinth motorway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmjsbZicNI0

don't know how to post videos directly, sorry.
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Thanks for those videos
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mitasis: lovely photos
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 03:10 PM   #618
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When these signs on motorways were introduced ?
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When these signs on motorways were introduced ?
This section was opened sometime in the late 1990s - I think 1998.

I don't know if the signs are the original ones, but they are wrong according to the 2003 motorway signing regulations, which state that motorways should be numbered with a prefix A (it should be shown as A1/E75 instead of 1/E75) and the letters should be mixed case (they are all in capital). Please see a previous message about the signing mess in Greece.
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Old August 27th, 2009, 06:31 PM   #620
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Some photos of motorway roadworks going on in the Korinthos - Tripoli - Kalamata - Sparti sections (for more photos have a look at the Highway thread in the Hellenic Agora http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=327086):
















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