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Old January 9th, 2010, 07:15 PM   #761
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It is also a 200 Euros fine in Greece (Highway Code - Article 29 Paragraph 10), but who cares actually? There are always drivers using the lane and a lot of cases of (even fatal) accidents as they may fall into a stopped car (it depends if it is in a breakdown or stopped - also illegally!).
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Old January 9th, 2010, 07:22 PM   #762
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In Greece it's the same, plus you lose your driver's license and your car's plates for 20 days. But this doesn't mean much...!
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Old January 9th, 2010, 07:45 PM   #763
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imo, the main problem in Europe is traffic rules enforcement is way too automatized, and focused on speed. Because that's about the only thing you can easily enforce without a lot of manpower. If the police would instead patrol the roads more, and fine violations such as reckless driving, illegally using the shoulder, dangerous passing, tailgating, etc, such violations would drop significantly. Now nobody cares about it, because the chance of getting caught is very minimal.

Compare Europe to the United States where they are much more active patrolling the roads in police and undercover cars. I have never seen the police pull someone over in the past 100,000 kilometers I drove in the Netherlands.
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Old January 9th, 2010, 08:04 PM   #764
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I think it would be possible to have cameras that record illegal shoulder running. We already have a system for the bus lanes (although it hardly ever works, as most cameras are destroyed ), maybe the same system could be used?
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Old January 9th, 2010, 08:05 PM   #765
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Chris, you are absolutely right.

As far as the case of the emergency lane is concerned, I doubt that all police staff know the rule. The reason of this, originates to the construction of the then "new" national roads 1 and 8a in the 1950's and 1960's when there was mostly one a half lane in each direction with the half one indicated by a continuous white line, but was/is used for slow traffic to allow overtaking by faster drivers. So when motorways were constructed Greek drivers (which are mostly badly trained - quite a lot used to/still bribe to get the driving license) thought/think that it is quite one more 'slow' lane.
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Old January 9th, 2010, 08:15 PM   #766
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And so important, since last summer tourism at Ionian sea resorts, during a crisis time, has been risen due to "internal" turism because of Egnatia motorway.
If we want to construct motorways in order to promote tourism in Greece, the most adequate place is Crete. That island was visited by 2.700.000 tourists in its record year 2008, yet it has almost no roads that could be qualified as “motorways”. The previous conservative government excluded Crete from motorway construction plans, obviously because of its overwhelming support for the socialists.

The new socialist government plans to upgrade the northern road axis to a motorway (link in Greek):

http://enosikatanaloton.blogspot.com...g-post_05.html

We’ll know more details later this month.

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Old January 9th, 2010, 09:35 PM   #767
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If we want to construct motorways in order to promote tourism in Greece, the most adequate place is Crete. That island was visited by 2.700.000 tourists in its record year 2008, yet it has almost no roads that could be qualified as “motorways”. The previous conservative government excluded Crete from motorway construction plans, obviously because of its overwhelming support for the socialists.

The new socialist government plans to upgrade the northern road axis to a motorway (link in Greek):

http://enosikatanaloton.blogspot.com...g-post_05.html

We’ll know more details later this month.

You are right, but tourists are coming to Crete by air or by sea, while on the continental Greece they are coming mainly by car. That's the difference.
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Old January 10th, 2010, 12:07 PM   #768
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You are right, but tourists are coming to Crete by air or by sea, while on the continental Greece they are coming mainly by car. That's the difference.
Definately no. Only some tourists form Balkans come by car (not a big number of them though). Most people from FYROM or Bulgaria come by train. From Albania, most of them use buses. From Turkey, almost everyone uses Airplanes except for some students-tourists who use the train.
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Old January 10th, 2010, 01:08 PM   #769
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It is also a 200 Euros fine in Greece (Highway Code - Article 29 Paragraph 10), but who cares actually? There are always drivers using the lane and a lot of cases of (even fatal) accidents as they may fall into a stopped car (it depends if it is in a breakdown or stopped - also illegally!).
Indeed, in especially single line roads, examble outside Lamia, the using a lot those lines...

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I think it would be possible to have cameras that record illegal shoulder running. We already have a system for the bus lanes (although it hardly ever works, as most cameras are destroyed ), maybe the same system could be used?
Most of the cameras even in the center of Athens are indeed "dead", in the rest of motorway system i dont know if cameras exists (perhaps in toll posts)
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Old January 10th, 2010, 01:49 PM   #770
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On motorways there are cameras for speeding. Recently (last year or so) many new ones have been installed. However, there is a difference between the two types.
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Old January 10th, 2010, 02:05 PM   #771
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Definately no. Only some tourists form Balkans come by car (not a big number of them though). Most people from FYROM or Bulgaria come by train. From Albania, most of them use buses. From Turkey, almost everyone uses Airplanes except for some students-tourists who use the train.
How you can go by train to Ioannina and Zagori?
At least from Romania, most people are coming to Greece with their personal cars or buses. The ones going by plane go mainly to the islands.
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Old January 11th, 2010, 02:33 PM   #772
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More than 6 bln euros were spent on a motorway that is almost empty.
its not empty...
for example on the video showed before filmed by pindos10 and corfu

was in the few parts that had not traffic with alot of cars...

pindos10 told me,that they were trying to avoid the dense traffic ,so the video to be with the road empty,and clear to see..

the thessalonki igoumenitsa egnatia road is the main connection of western with eastern greece..even from Patras ,where I live..the fastest and cheaper way now is over the Rio bridge to ioannina and next to Thessaloniki...the public transportation Ktel busses go through there now

The traffic is continuous ...its the big pass through Pindos mountain backbone..

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Old January 11th, 2010, 08:53 PM   #773
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Are there any news about E-65 highway? I know there are few construction sites along the route. Is there an official high quality map? There's no official website though. Strange
http://www.kentrikiodos.gr/
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Old January 11th, 2010, 09:10 PM   #774
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Some photos from the motorway Korinthos - Tripolis (near Artemisio)



















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Old January 12th, 2010, 11:33 AM   #775
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This is an old video uploaded one and a half year ago, showing Part of the PATHE highway. It's the part over Agios Konstantinos
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And also have a look at this one, also posted about a year and a half ago.
This is a part of Egnatia highway. I think it's the video quality that makes this one to look brighter. Both parts were ready at the same period.
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Old January 14th, 2010, 08:35 PM   #777
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Its true that bypass of Megalopolis its finally open (includes 2 long km tunnels, 1 in each direction)?
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Old January 19th, 2010, 02:26 PM   #778
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Hello! I was wondering if anybody could tell when this highway project started and how much has it cost?
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Old January 19th, 2010, 04:07 PM   #779
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Some pictures I took last weekend on A2 motorway on the most mountainous part of the road between Grevena and Ioannina.













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Old January 19th, 2010, 07:46 PM   #780
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Great photos from Egnatia motorway, mitasis btw that section was the last u/c part of Egnatia?
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