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Old June 22nd, 2013, 08:41 PM   #1561
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@Antie #1559

EP16: Please do not forget that the 1956 legislation (as the 1955 one for national roads) was drafting an intention to classify roads for construction and maintenance matters. At the time even most of national roads were unpaved or even non-existent. Most of the roads were constructed and paved in the following decades – quite most of them after 1970 – and some parts remained in the poor condition of the 50’s or were never constructed (ie. EO85 – section Porto Rafti – Lavrio was intended to show the proposal for a coastal road all the way from Rafina to Lavrio, which eventually was never materialized).

EP25/26/27: You have put ΕΠ25 correctly. Proasteio is at the place you have indicated – Agios Vasileios. It seems that ΕΠ27 were intended to connect Kato Salmeniko/Κάτω Σαλμένικο with Mageiras/Μάγειρας, Myrovrysi/Μυρόβρυση and Verino/Βερίνο meeting ΕΠ26 at Grigoris/Γρηγόρης (Rachova). Therefore ΕΠ26 should reach Grigoris/Γρηγόρης and then remained incomplete further to the south towards ΕΠ25.

EP18: The road is Aigeira/Αιγείρα – Seliana/Σελιάνα – Perithori/Περιθώρι and then incomplete towards the border to Korinthia (to Sarantapiho/Σαραντάπηχο).

I checked the 1975 Atlas of Greek Statistics, which supports the above comments.
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Old July 3rd, 2013, 02:06 PM   #1562
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Some pics of A1 from my trip to Athens.


This part is still U/C. Seems that works are financed by the EU funds.




Strange, that they collect toll even for this part. Thessaloniki-Athens costs ~21 euro for one direction.


Some sections at Thessaloniki and at Athens are with 3 traffic lanes plus a hard shoulder.


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Quite clean from inside.


Overall impression of A1 is very good. I've managed to get from Sofia to Athens in 10 hours, including several rests.
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Old July 3rd, 2013, 05:45 PM   #1563
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Very nice photos, are there any more pictures to come ?
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Old July 3rd, 2013, 07:01 PM   #1564
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#1562

Terrible Greek signing.

First photo: 1 instead of A1, 48 instead of 27 and E65 in blue rather than the correct green (all E-road signs should be GREEN everywhere).

Third photo: The 1 on the left sign should be A1 and this on the right one in blue as it refers to NR1.

Fifth photo: At least Aegean motorway has started putting A1 instead of 1 on motorway shields, which Nea Odos and Central Greece Motorway did not have done so on the sections of the A1 they manage. Section within Athens is also signed without the prefix "A".

I remind that on the A1, the A6 and its branches and A90 signs do not indicate motorway prefix "A". Signs on capital letters may be replaced by the time they reach the time of replacement - usually 10-12 years.
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Old July 3rd, 2013, 07:58 PM   #1565
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Very nice photos, are there any more pictures to come ?
I do have. I'll post them in the next days

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Terrible Greek signing.
You have to see Bulgarian signing
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Old July 4th, 2013, 12:40 PM   #1566
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I must admit that I love Greek motorways. I have not experienced such ease on roads in any coutries. No policemen, no agresive drivers, no problems.
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Old July 4th, 2013, 02:46 PM   #1567
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I must admit that I love Greek motorways. I have not experienced such ease on roads in any coutries. No policemen, no agresive drivers, no problems.
You should come down and drive near Athens and peloponnese where traffic density is much higher than North Greece and drivers are much much much more aggresive!

Generally i have been in North Greece and the driving nature reminded that of North Europeans. On the other hand drivers in Italy especially in the south were the worst drivers i have ever seen in my life, even in the north of Italy drivers were aggresive.
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Old July 4th, 2013, 09:38 PM   #1568
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The problem of graffities in greek roads is really a shame.

As for aggresive drivers, I agree with you Angelos. Whenever i have to drive in southern Greece and especially close to Athens I'm very impressed of how aggresive people are driving.
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Old July 5th, 2013, 12:21 AM   #1569
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Thermopiles (the hot gates): what a great place, when the future of Europe was decided with the blood of 300 Spartans and thousands of Greeks.

I want to visit this place. It's our past. Our history. Our present.

Sorry, but when I see that signal in the photos I've put very excited.

Do you have a photos of the Thermopiles?
It's one of the great sites that I have to visit in my life. I like a lot history and I read a lot of books of the Battle of the Thermopiles. I admire a lot Ancient Greece. And the modern of course. I like history but I prefer present.

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Old July 5th, 2013, 09:48 AM   #1570
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Thermopiles (the hot gates): what a great place, when the future of Europe was decided with the blood of 300 Spartans and thousands of Greeks.

I want to visit this place. It's our past. Our history. Our present.

Sorry, but when I see that signal in the photos I've put very excited.

Do you have a photos of the Thermopiles?
It's one of the great sites that I have to visit in my life. I like a lot history and I read a lot of books of the Battle of the Thermopiles. I admire a lot Ancient Greece. And the modern of course. I like history but I prefer present.
Ok, so you are Greek, right? Where are you located? Your location doesn't say much to me.
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Old July 5th, 2013, 02:08 PM   #1571
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Nope, he is Spanish.
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Old July 5th, 2013, 06:55 PM   #1572
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Ok, here's the second part of my pics.

I've noticed that in Greece they prefer to put jersey (concrete) barriers.


Toll booths. You can pay either in cash, or with prepaid magnetic card. Credit/debit cards are not accepted.








That's just before Athens.


In Athens traffic is bigger, but it was fine to me. Only I had to take care of the motobikers, who can appear from nowhere next to you. A1 continues in a grade separated avenue, that crosses the city and leads directly to the sea.


My destination was in Glyfada neighbouhood. As I said, I reached it in 10 hours with breaking the traffic laws (much). Not bad, I would say. It's ~800km from Sofia.


Of these 800 km, not all are motorways in Greece and Bulgaria, but works are progressing in both countries. Hope one day Athens-Sofia will be a motorway all the way.

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Old July 5th, 2013, 09:26 PM   #1573
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Ops. *without breaking
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Thank you for the photos, very nice.

A question about A-2 motorway: I read that motorway is the most expensive infraestructure that is built in Greece. In Google Maps appears with no toll. This motorway has not toll? I ask to confirmate.
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Old July 5th, 2013, 10:37 PM   #1575
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IMO A2 is not tolled because it was financed by the EU funds.
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Old July 6th, 2013, 01:00 AM   #1576
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Welcome. I do statistics of roads in Europe. I have question.
What is the total length of Greece Motorways and Expressways?
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Old July 6th, 2013, 12:32 PM   #1577
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The A2 has a number of toll stations; this has nothing to do with the funding of the construction.

Some toll stations are already in operation and some more are expected as the motorway will be privatised soon.

Toll on the A2: Please look at http://motorways-exitlists.com/ --> Europe --> Greece --> A2.
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Old July 6th, 2013, 01:23 PM   #1578
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Talking about toll stations, on A7 from Korinthos to Kalamata has 6 toll stations (operating)?
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Old July 6th, 2013, 05:55 PM   #1579
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Welcome. I do statistics of roads in Europe. I have question.
What is the total length of Greece Motorways and Expressways?
About 2000 km, i dont know though the exact number.
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Old July 6th, 2013, 06:18 PM   #1580
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@Christos

On the A7, the operating toll stations are at Spathovouni, Nestani, Asea, Lefktro and Kalamata (Arfara).
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