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Old July 31st, 2013, 05:52 PM   #1601
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No this road remains a 1X1 road with an extended service lane on the right. The only part which has motorway characteristics is a small part fo 15 km after the border until the Polykastro interchange. The road becomes a motorway after the Chalastra interchange where is combining with A2 (Egnatia odos).

Before the crisis there was a plan of privatising this road and upgrade it to a motorway. Due to the situation every plan seems to be abandoned.
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Old August 2nd, 2013, 11:45 PM   #1602
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Food along A1

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Have anyone a good idea where we can eat a good gyros along the E75 between the border and Larisa?
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Old August 3rd, 2013, 01:54 AM   #1603
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- Is the A-1 finished between Thessalonika and Republic of Macedonian border?

I don't understand new Google Maps legend, in the map appears like not, but I don't know.
Not a lot do: https://productforums.google.com/for...Q/SkDRk7bpxa0J

Toll Motorways: Green
Free Motorways and Expressways: Blue
National Roads: Red
Provincial Roads: Orange
Other significant roads, such as roads that connect villages: Yellow
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Old August 14th, 2013, 01:57 PM   #1604
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Tripolis Kalamata motorway - Section Paradisia Tsakona, Peloponissos (U/C)











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Old August 14th, 2013, 01:58 PM   #1605
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That section its not completed yet?
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Old August 14th, 2013, 04:05 PM   #1606
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I don't know the constructor (Terna) says it's under construction.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 02:26 AM   #1607
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The new road between (near to) Komotini and Bulgarian border.

From Komotini to Bulgarian border
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And back, Bulgarian border - Komotini
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Old August 15th, 2013, 01:13 PM   #1608
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Nice videos - thanks

I liked the... cows, too.

However, a small note according to my usual complaints about Greek signing. The first thing I saw on the first video was a RCS stating A23 and an empty second shield.

This road is certainly not a motorway (or not even an expressway) so this A23 is totally wrong. I know that the particular axis has been designated as A23 in 2008, but ONLY IN THE CASE IT WILL BECOME A MOTORWAY. Is this so difficult to be understood by those guys who put the signs?

And why did they put this second empty shield? This is supposed to be used in the case a motorway/national road is an E-road too. But this is not and I do not think it will in the future. And these empty shields appear occasionally to other roads in Greece too (ie. A62, A64, A65), who are not and will not be part of the E-road network. Is it another so difficult thing to be understood?

PS. The road shown on video has national road status, but NO NUMBER yet. This of course, happens due to the aging national road numbering system of 1963 and the sporadic additions made to it later.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 09:06 PM   #1609
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A62 from Airport to Attiki odos

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Old August 15th, 2013, 09:17 PM   #1611
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A6 (Attiki odos) from A62 to A8

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Old August 15th, 2013, 09:27 PM   #1613
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Old August 15th, 2013, 09:32 PM   #1614
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Old August 15th, 2013, 10:59 PM   #1615
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These pictures just come to enforce what I have said about empty shields (for E-numbers which do not exist) on the A62, A64 and A65 on my previous message regarding the Komotini – BG border videos (#1608).

May I also note that the A6 should not bear E94 east of Metamorfosi Interchange (Exit 8 – with A1/E75)? E94 connects Korinthos (E65) with Athens (E75); before the A6 opening it ran via Athinon Avenue (NR8) to the E75. Who thought that if E94 runs through a part of the A6, then the whole A6 should be E94 as well? According to the signs, E94 “ends” on the Airport Interchange (with the A62).

May I also ask when Attiki Odos (A6, A62, A64, A65 and A642) will put the motorway prefix “A” in front of their motorway numbers? And of course when they put A1 and A8 to direction signs towards these motorways? (The same applies for signing the A1 and A90).

The last photo says everything about inconsistency and TOTAL lack of knowledge and care on Greek road number signing: Instead of 8/E65 and 3 (the latter appears in green motorway shield) there should be A8/E94 and 3 (in BLUE simple rectangle – it is national road 3; not a motorway to Thiva). Again it is possible that a poor minded thought that “E94 is the A6 and only the A6. Then as A8 west of Korinthos is E65, the whole A8 should be E65 as well”. And of course once more they have mixed motorways with national roads.

I know I may annoy other forumers when I come back and back to this thing, but I feel angry and I think that we have the worst record in all Europe on this aspect. Last of the last!
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Old August 15th, 2013, 11:07 PM   #1616
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It is normal to put signs in english in Greek motorways? I like it, because greek alphabet is not understandable to western people.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 11:14 PM   #1617
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May I also note that the A6 should not bear E94 east of Metamorfosi Interchange (Exit 8 – with A1/E75)? E94 connects Korinthos (E65) with Athens (E75); before the A6 opening it ran via Athinon Avenue (NR8) to the E75. Who thought that if E94 runs through a part of the A6, then the whole A6 should be E94 as well? According to the signs, E94 “ends” on the Airport Interchange (with the A62).
It is officially listed as "E 94 Corinthos - Athinai". It links the two cities and can do so however it wants.

It can end at E75, or it could join E75 all the way to the docks, or it can go to the Airport, or anywhere in Athens: the ends are vaguely defined (I believe that only the E29 is defined as ending on another E road, rather than a city). It doesn't even need to interchange with E75 or, at the Corinth end, the E65.

Linking a major international Airport is probably a good idea, as is making sure the E roads form a network.
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Old August 15th, 2013, 11:18 PM   #1618
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@Javimix19

Yes, there are indications with Roman letters on all motorways and major roads as well to quite a lot minor roads.

In some cases they are put on the same sign along with the Greek inscriptions and in other there is first the sign in Greek and then a bit further the sign in Roman. Greek inscriptions are in yellow and Roman ones in white.

Places are simply transliterated in the Roman alphabet (Αθήνα - Athina and NOT Athens), but other terms are in English (ie. Airport, Toll, Bridge etc.).

@sotonsi

I accept this although the Airport is a bit away from the city and even out of Greater Athens, but I am suspicious that they did it just by lack of knowledge; if you see my concept on the A8/E65 signs on the A6, you may give me a point.
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Old August 16th, 2013, 10:18 AM   #1619
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I don't know the constructor (Terna) says it's under construction.
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That section its not completed yet?
These are old pictures.
The section Paradisia – Tsakona of the motorway A7, has been in use since 22/12/2012.



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The new road between (near to) Komotini and Bulgarian border.

From Komotini to Bulgarian border
[...]
And back, Bulgarian border - Komotini
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Good job! Very nice videos.



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Nice videos - thanks

I liked the... cows, too.

However, a small note according to my usual complaints about Greek signing. The first thing I saw on the first video was a RCS stating A23 and an empty second shield.

This road is certainly not a motorway (or not even an expressway) so this A23 is totally wrong. I know that the particular axis has been designated as A23 in 2008, but ONLY IN THE CASE IT WILL BECOME A MOTORWAY. Is this so difficult to be understood by those guys who put the signs?

And why did they put this second empty shield? This is supposed to be used in the case a motorway/national road is an E-road too. But this is not and I do not think it will in the future. And these empty shields appear occasionally to other roads in Greece too (ie. A62, A64, A65), who are not and will not be part of the E-road network. Is it another so difficult thing to be understood?

PS. The road shown on video has national road status, but NO NUMBER yet. This of course, happens due to the aging national road numbering system of 1963 and the sporadic additions made to it later.
I totally agree with you on the points that you made.
I just wanted to add that it is not that they only have assigned the route as A23. The signage does not comply with the Greek road signage guidelines (1974) at all. It is obvious that the guy who did the signage study got his inspiration from the vertical motorway signage guidelines (ΟΜΟΕ-ΣΚΑ 2010). For instance, the typeface that is being used, is DIN 1451 instead of Transport.



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It is normal to put signs in english in Greek motorways? I like it, because greek alphabet is not understandable to western people.
Regarding the motorways, all the signs must have all the place names in Greek and Latin characters on the same sign.
On other roads (expressways, national roads etc.) may be two consecutive signs, with the first one listing the places in their Greek name, and the second one in their Latin name.
For converting the place names from the Greek language to Latin, they use this table.
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Old August 16th, 2013, 10:45 AM   #1620
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Why they are using yellow for Greek names at signs on motorways? White on green is much better to see then yellow on green. So it's much easier to look for Latin names than Greek names on these signs. Good for foreigners but why to make the life harder for natives?
Yellow on blue at other road signs is not so bad.
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