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Old September 20th, 2013, 04:27 AM   #1661
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Hmm. I thought they were longer.
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Old September 21st, 2013, 12:13 PM   #1662
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I was looking on Google Maps at the road 1\E75 between Chalastra (junction with the motorway A2-E90 near Thessaloniki) and the Macedonian (FYROM) border. It doesn't seem to have motorway status but there are 2 parallel roads both numbered 1. Are those roads one-way? Is there a plan to built a motorway between Greece and FYROM?
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Old September 21st, 2013, 01:13 PM   #1663
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I was looking on Google Maps at the road 1\E75 between Chalastra (junction with the motorway A2-E90 near Thessaloniki) and the Macedonian (FYROM) border. It doesn't seem to have motorway status but there are 2 parallel roads both numbered 1. Are those roads one-way? Is there a plan to built a motorway between Greece and FYROM?
https://maps.google.it/maps?hl=it&ll...38173&t=h&z=12
Don't know what does it mean, but the straightest one is the main road. It is very very wide 1+1 road, so overtaking a lorry even if another lorry heading towards you is being overtaken by another car in opposite direction is possible. Actually I really like the road. Of course there are some morons who does not adapt they driving skills to common, but it is really safe road. The second road marked 1 is maybe the old one - I have not seen it although in my GPS it looks like a minor road.
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Old September 21st, 2013, 01:36 PM   #1664
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How much of the route between Belgrade and Athens is actually a motorway?
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Old September 21st, 2013, 01:37 PM   #1665
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It is very very wide 1+1 road, so overtaking a lorry even if another lorry heading towards you is being overtaken by another car in opposite direction is possible.
This practice is the main reason why countries with such roads have the poorest traffic safety record in Europe. Greece itself is one of the least safe countries in Europe with a fatality rate nearly twice the EU average (only 3 countries have a worse fatality rate).
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Old September 21st, 2013, 01:49 PM   #1666
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How much of the route between Belgrade and Athens is actually a motorway?
Don't know what about Athens, but I can tell you the route to Thessaloniki:
Less than 100 km is incomplete in soutnern Serbia and almost 70 km is 1+1 in Macedonia. The rest is the motorway, although one section of M1 motorway is quite strange, because it is de facto motorway made-up by two one-way primary roads with 80 kph speed limit which are quite distant each other.

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This practice is the main reason why countries with such roads have the poorest traffic safety record in Europe. Greece itself is one of the least safe countries in Europe with a fatality rate nearly twice the EU average (only 3 countries have a worse fatality rate).
I totally agree, but for me as a driver, it is still much more comfortable, than narrow 1+1 roads with 80 kph speed limit in Macedonia, where police can't wait to measure any foreigner. Therefore I drive there at 80 kph and domestic drivers are tailgating me and trying to overtake me even in sharp curves.
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Old September 21st, 2013, 01:56 PM   #1667
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Don't know what about Athens, but I can tell you the route to Thessaloniki:
Less than 100 km is incomplete in soutnern Serbia and almost 70 km is 1+1 in Macedonia. The rest is the motorway, although one section of M1 motorway is quite strange, because it is de facto motorway made-up by two one-way primary roads with 80 kph speed limit which are quite distant each other.
It's like the A6 Ceva - Savona and the A7 Serravalle - Genoa in Italy or a part of the Slovenian A2 east of Ljubljana.

BTW, I already heard horror stories about driving discipline in Greece, especially in Athens.
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Old September 21st, 2013, 03:34 PM   #1668
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BTW, I already heard horror stories about driving discipline in Greece, especially in Athens.
I also heard some similar stories about southern Italy
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Old September 21st, 2013, 04:13 PM   #1669
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BTW, I already heard horror stories about driving discipline in Greece, especially in Athens.
Have never been in Athens, but although Greek drivers indeed drive strangely, I can't remember any dangerous situation on Greek roads. I have driven only in northern Greece (Macedonia, Thassos). According to my experiences, Greeks are really calm on roads, they don't care about anything, but there is really peace on roads I have driven. The only thing I hate on greek drivers is horning at traffic lights. There is no amber light before green and therefore traffic lights turn green very quickly. If you don't move at 0,00000001 microsecond, they will surely horn the hell of you
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Old September 21st, 2013, 04:23 PM   #1670
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Serbia will complete a Motorway from Belgrade to the borders of Bulgaria and Macedonia before anyone else completes their network on that route I would think.

It is probable that the route via Sofia will take over from the route through Macedonia by around 2017. Bulgarian motorways are very high quality 130kph roads.

Whether Greece ever completes the motorway from Thessaloniki to Athens is another question. 2 notable sections are abandoned part constructed. One in the Tempi valley where tunnels were fully bored (and then abandoned around 2010) and another east of Larnia.

It is possible that a motorway may exist Belgrade-Sofia-Thessaloniki-Athens by 2018 with some effort.

A complete motorway Belgrade-Macedonia-Thessaloniki-Athens is further away from completion.
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Old September 21st, 2013, 05:55 PM   #1671
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I also heard some similar stories about southern Italy
I don't have heard them, I saw them.
I've been twice in Southern Italy, never found myself in dangerous situations but saw many times people breaking rules: parking everywhere (on pedestrian crossing, on intersections,...), not using bike helmets and even riding scooters on motorways.

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Serbia will complete a Motorway from Belgrade to the borders of Bulgaria and Macedonia before anyone else completes their network on that route I would think.

It is probable that the route via Sofia will take over from the route through Macedonia by around 2017. Bulgarian motorways are very high quality 130kph roads.

Whether Greece ever completes the motorway from Thessaloniki to Athens is another question. 2 notable sections are abandoned part constructed. One in the Tempi valley where tunnels were fully bored (and then abandoned around 2010) and another east of Larnia.

It is possible that a motorway may exist Belgrade-Sofia-Thessaloniki-Athens by 2018 with some effort.

A complete motorway Belgrade-Macedonia-Thessaloniki-Athens is further away from completion.
Yes, the famous Struma motorway!
Aren't Bulgaria and Poland the only countries with 140 speed limit?
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Old September 21st, 2013, 11:46 PM   #1672
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Serbia will complete a Motorway from Belgrade to the borders of Bulgaria and Macedonia before anyone else completes their network on that route I would think.

It is probable that the route via Sofia will take over from the route through Macedonia by around 2017. Bulgarian motorways are very high quality 130kph roads.

Whether Greece ever completes the motorway from Thessaloniki to Athens is another question. 2 notable sections are abandoned part constructed. One in the Tempi valley where tunnels were fully bored (and then abandoned around 2010) and another east of Larnia.

It is possible that a motorway may exist Belgrade-Sofia-Thessaloniki-Athens by 2018 with some effort.

A complete motorway Belgrade-Macedonia-Thessaloniki-Athens is further away from completion.
Construction works near Tembi on the A1 are progressing at a slow pace. I believe the same applies for the missing part around Maliakos further south near the city of Lamia.

The Aegean Motorway concession company has come to an agreement with the Greek government re compensation for decreased traffic volumes and delays around expropriation of land etc. The concession company is negotiating with the banks to reach an agreement on the financing model for this road PPP project. These discussions are ongoing and according to media reports a deal is in the making in the near future. Once that happens the construction works on the A1 between Thessaloniki and Athens can be completed within 24 months.

As for the A1 section between the Halastra interchange and the FYROM border only a part of it has motorway characteristics. As a result of the economic crisis traffic volumes on this part of the A1 have gone down significantly. Therefore, I do not think that this part will be reconstructed anytime soon.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 10:38 AM   #1673
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Some remarks regarding A1, most of what Almopos say its right:

-Maliakos region works (east of Lamia) are in a intense work state last months, seems like middle/end 2014 road will be ready (25 km part)
-Tempi part is like said, but works also have increased speed last 6 months. The three main tunnels have been opened (except a small part in Platamonas tunnel, which will open soon) and the real work is to be done in outer road part.
-Chalastra-FYROM border part should start to seriously concern greek government. I drove there some days ago almost 10 years after my last time and i was really disappointed. Ok its a wide (really wide 1/1 road) and the last 15 km to the border it has standard motorway characteristics (2/2) but the situation of the road is unacceptabe. Garbage, bad pavement, old signs full of grafity (an old time classic problem of greek roads).

This summer there was really lot of traffic from Evzoni border station, turism from Serbia, FYROM has increased a lot (visa Schengen not needed thats why).

It should be a top priority to:
-fix the look of the road.
-construct Polikastro-Chalastra part as motorway. Its just 45 easy km (plain ground). Ground next to the road is free,(no buildings, no privacys) because they constructed this road in 70s with the thought of upgrading in motorway soon (40 years past of course and nothing yet )
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 11:28 AM   #1674
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Great Pics...They are indeed in the final stages ... they will most likely open this freeway by spring. The sections closer to Sparti are carved, overpasses are up; you can see the on and off ramps, etc. It's getting there. Better to have things done properly rather than speeding things up to make some minister appear to have everything in order. That's when the first winter rains will bring the sides of the surrounding mountains to the roadway so that cars and people can play in the mud.

QUOTE=Stavros86;105721640]Here are some photos of the A71 motorway from May 2013.

A7 southbound (near Megalopolis):
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LwC2oOb10T...0/DSC00137.JPG

Interchange 14 "Lefktro":
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RJkVZD8v0E...0/DSC00138.JPG
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UHcFsw88ei...0/DSC00139.JPG
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-82hwjPIkvH...0/DSC00140.JPG
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wkosnuwWRe...0/DSC00125.JPG

A71 southbound (right after the interchange):
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-880A_11D2s...0/DSC00141.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dw8DUx1yNA...0/DSC00144.JPG
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-35O-Mrju49...0/DSC00145.JPG

Petrina toll station:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-35O-Mrju49...0/DSC00145.JPG

Continuing on A71 southbound:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xqUP399l_0...0/DSC00146.JPG
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4cSG9oIJpT...0/DSC00147.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vAoqMBBFyE...0/DSC00148.JPG

Pellana interchange:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-diEQ3onkdt...0/DSC00150.JPG

Near Kastorio:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--b6oW3qSoY...0/DSC00151.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6aMFjrZV0Q...0/DSC00108.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-d5m8FVhEUA...0/DSC00106.JPG
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7Qud9xqYj9...0/DSC01927.JPG

Evrotas river bridge:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-u9_m_ON5Db...0/DSC00077.JPG
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0FfTQsL9jG...0/DSC00159.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-f3pZoCD2gJ...0/DSC00157.JPG[/QUOTE]
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It is possible that a motorway may exist Belgrade-Sofia-Thessaloniki-Athens by 2018 with some effort.
I doubt that. I travelled towards Sofia this summer and the road is really slow. I haven't seen anything in construction, between the borders (Greece - Bulgaria) and Sofia.
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I was looking on Google Maps at the road 1\E75 between Chalastra (junction with the motorway A2-E90 near Thessaloniki) and the Macedonian (FYROM) border. It doesn't seem to have motorway status but there are 2 parallel roads both numbered 1. Are those roads one-way? Is there a plan to built a motorway between Greece and FYROM?
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I was looking on Google Maps at the road 1\E75 between Chalastra (junction with the motorway A2-E90 near Thessaloniki) and the Macedonian (FYROM) border. It doesn't seem to have motorway status but there are 2 parallel roads both numbered 1. Are those roads one-way? Is there a plan to built a motorway between Greece and FYROM?
https://maps.google.it/maps?hl=it&ll...38173&t=h&z=12
The road on the right is the new National Road 1. The one on the left is the old National Road 1.
For now, there is no plan of upgrading the expressway to a motorway.
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I doubt that. I travelled towards Sofia this summer and the road is really slow. I haven't seen anything in construction, between the borders (Greece - Bulgaria) and Sofia.
Of course the highway is in construction. It's number one priority actually. It's not visible from the current road because it's not right next to it. Next year the section from the border to Sandanski will open. In addition, Dupnitsa - Sofia is finished and in operation and the complete highway Sofia - GR border MUST be finished or Bulgaria will have to pay back all money given to the EU

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Of course the highway is in construction. It's number one priority actually. It's not visible from the current road because it's not right next to it. Next year the section from the border to Sandanski will open. In addition, Dupnitsa - Sofia is finished and in operation and the complete highway Sofia - GR border MUST be finished or Bulgaria will have to pay back all money given to the EU
When will this highway be completed then?
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The last section of the Bulgarian A3 will have the (new) 'longest tunnel in the Balkans' at 10km + length so 2017 or 2018 would be a reasonable assumption. I also think the Bulgarian A3 will be over 50% complete by 2014.
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