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Old March 30th, 2014, 02:46 AM   #1821
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Old March 30th, 2014, 11:35 PM   #1822
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Here are some videos from Greek motorways.

A6 and A8:



Athens Ring Road by a crazy biker:



The cable-stayed bridge at Halkida:



And a recent one from the road from Larissa to Trikala and Kalambaka, parts of which have been upgraded to dual-carriageway.

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Old April 1st, 2014, 08:40 AM   #1823
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How much kilometars of motorways does Greece has ?
In December last year they had 1.687 km.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 10:18 AM   #1824
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In December last year they had 1.687 km.
At least 500km 'under construction' too I would think, counting all the A3 which is the biggest single 'under construction' project.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 03:39 PM   #1825
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Greece is better then Austria,Hungary,Slovakia...by the number of highways
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Old April 1st, 2014, 06:50 PM   #1826
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Greece is better then Austria,Hungary,Slovakia...by the number of highways
Give us the numbers then. How many km of highways do these countries have?
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Old April 1st, 2014, 07:48 PM   #1827
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By wikipedia Austria has 1600 kilometars of motorways,
Slovakia has somewhere about 500 kilometars of motorways and
Hungary has somewhere about 1300 kilometars of motorways
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Old April 1st, 2014, 07:58 PM   #1828
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The Greek motorway length is particularly influenced by its two major long-distance motorways, A1 & A2, which account for approximately two-thirds of the entire motorway length in Greece.

Most of those countries mentioned have an actual network of motorways, as opposed to Greece which relies heavily on just four motorways (A1,2,7,8). Austria has over 30 motorways.
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The Greek motorway length is particularly influenced by its two major long-distance motorways, A1 & A2, which account for approximately two-thirds of the entire motorway length in Greece.

Most of those countries mentioned have an actual network of motorways, as opposed to Greece which relies heavily on just four motorways (A1,2,7,8). Austria has over 30 motorways.
A1 (Athens - Thessaloniki) is around 500 km long while A2 (Igoumenitsa - Turkish border) is almost 700 km long.
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You are right about that,but still !
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 03:18 AM   #1831
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All of those countries mentioned are smaller than Greece and with a lower population.

On a population adjusted and on a per sq km adjusted they all have more Motorway than Greece. However they have a lot of transit traffic too and are not comparable on that basis.

It will probably be another 30 years before the road down the west coast is completed at which point, and with a good road from Tirana to Kalamata via Rio and Patras....Greece will have a Motorway network as such.
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Personaly I dont care who has the most motorways but when I see someone to go to the other extreme I would like to say my oppinion. 1st) I am not trying to find excuses, I am trying to put the facts and the numbers in a true base. 2nd) Hellas is the 2nd or 3rd most mountains country in Europe + hundreds of islands 3rd) Tirana and Albania is not part of the Hellenic motorway system 4th) The size and population difference of Hellas with the majority of the mentioned central European countries is insignificant (check wikipedia for stats).
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 01:51 PM   #1833
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Τοποθέτηση πύργων και τόξων στη μεταλλική τοξωτή γέφυρα

Γράφτηκε από τον Γιάννης Σινάπης



Αρχισε χθες η τοποθέτηση των πύργων και των τόξων στο εργοτάξιο της εντυπωσιακής μεταλλικής τοξωτής γέφυρας, στο νέο εθνικό δρόμο, στο τμήμα Παραδείσια - Τσακώνα, στο σημείο της μεγάλης κατολίσθησης.

«Πρόκειται για ιστορική μέρα», επεσήμανε στην "Ε" ο διευθυντής του υπουργείου Υποδομών Γιάννης Καρνέσης και μαζί με τον εργοταξιάρχη Νίκο Ντονά διαβεβαίωσαν ότι η γέφυρα θα ολοκληρωθεί και θα παραδοθεί μέσα στο 2014.

Στο εργοτάξιο στήθηκαν οι πρώτοι επιβλητικοί μεταλλικοί πύργοι, πάνω στους οποίους τοποθετούνται τα κομμάτια του τόξου. Η διαδικασία είναι τεχνικά δύσκολη και η ανύψωση του πρώτου τμήματος του τόξου θα αρχίσει μετά το Πάσχα.

Οπως μας ενημέρωσαν ο Γ. Καρνέσης και ο Ν. Ντονάς, ανάμεσα στους πύργους θα τοποθετηθούν 6 κομμάτια τόξου συν τα 2 ακρινά που θα έρθουν έτοιμα, συναρμολογημένα και η τοποθέτησή τους θα είναι πιο εύκολη.

Από κάθε πλευρά προβλέπεται να στηθούν 7 ζεύγη πύργων, το μεσαίο από τα οποία (το πιο ψηλό σημείο του τόξου) θα έχει 63 μέτρα ύψος. Τα ακρινά -στο πιο χαμηλό σημείο- θα έχουν 25 μέτρα ύψος.

Ο κ. Ντονάς εκτίμησε ότι η χρονική διάρκεια για κάθε τμήμα (από τα 6 του τόξου) από τη συναρμολόγησή του μέχρι την τοποθέτηση και την ανύψωσή του θα είναι 25 ημέρες. Παρατήρησε, ακόμα, ότι μετά τα τόξα θα απαιτηθεί ένα δίμηνο για όλες τις εργασίες ασφαλτοστρώσεων, τοποθέτησης στηθαίων ασφαλείας και δοκιμαστικής λειτουργίας.

Ο διευθυντής του υπουργείου Υποδομών και ο εργοταξιάρχης ζήτησαν από τους οδηγούς που κινούνται στην παράκαμψη του νέου εθνικού δρόμου στο συγκεκριμένο σημείο να δείχνουν ιδιαίτερη προσοχή και να μη χαζεύουν, κοιτώντας τους πύργους και τα τόξα που θα υψώνονται, γιατί υπάρχει κίνδυνος πρόκλησης ατυχήματος, καθώς η παράκαμψη είναι στενή.

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Μερικά γραφικά για το πώς θα είναι η γέφυρα της Τσακώνας όταν ολοκληρωθεί:









Κάπου είχα διαβάσει και αν θυμάμαι καλά η γέφυρα θα σηματοδοτεί την μετάβαση από την Αρκαδία στην Μεσσηνία και αντίστροφα. Στην μία πλευρά θα υπάρχει πινακίδα που θα αναγράφει "Αρκαδία" (φαίνεται στα γραφικά) και στην άλλη πλευρά «Μεσσηνία».

http://www.g-p.gr/GREEK/projects%20p...a-01%20gr.html
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Old April 5th, 2014, 09:41 AM   #1834
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Is it clear which motorways will be financed by the EU funds in 2014-2020?
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Old April 5th, 2014, 01:43 PM   #1835
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No because the restructurings of the concession terms are not all done yet.

Where the restructuring is done and work is restarted EG the A1 tunnels, there is EU funding for that project in the mix. But the deals are per concession and some of the deals are not complete yet but should be before the summer.

Then it will be clear.
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Old April 6th, 2014, 07:40 PM   #1836
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All of those countries mentioned are smaller than Greece and with a lower population.

On a population adjusted and on a per sq km adjusted they all have more Motorway than Greece. However they have a lot of transit traffic too and are not comparable on that basis.

It will probably be another 30 years before the road down the west coast is completed at which point, and with a good road from Tirana to Kalamata via Rio and Patras....Greece will have a Motorway network as such.
Guys, have you already considered other factors? Any of mentioned countries should not be comparedt hat simply. Austria is modern rich country with indeed favourable history at least since beginning of 20th century, Hungary is a flat country with specific settlement system (one huge city near the geometric centre on one hand and bunch of similar and smaller cities on the other hand) and finally, Slovakia is mountainous country previously governed by commies. The communication lines run in longitudinal direction (leading from/to Budapest) while it was part of Hungary, then in latitudinal direction after the creation of Czechoslovakia (leading from/to Prague/Bratislava) leaving the first one mentioned useful. And Greece? As it has been already told, seaside country with two significant and explicit axes. And I don't think Greece is the 4th mountainous country in Europe. The first is Switzerland, the second is Austria and the following should be AFAIK Norway, Germany, Romania, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Italy, etc.
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Lets not turn this thread (which is about the roads of Hellas) into a beauty contest ("my country is better than yours").
Now i said in my previous post that "Hellas is the 2nd or 3rd most mountainous country in Europe". I did a small search and i thing that it isn't the 2nd or 3rd most mountainous country in Europe but most likely one of the mountainous countries in Europe. Let's let the numbers do the talking:

Geographical map of Europe (Source: Wikipedia)
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Geography of Greece

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Physical geography

Greece is located in Southern Europe, bordering the Ionian Sea and the Mediterranean Sea, between Albania and Turkey. It is a peninsular country, possessing an archipelago of about 3,000 islands.

It has a total area of 131,940 km2 (50,940 sq mi),[2] of which land area is 130,800 km2 and internal waters (lakes and rivers) account for 1,140 km2. Land boundaries with Albania (282 km), FYROM (228 km), Bulgaria (494 km) and Turkey (206 km) measure approximately 1,228 km in total.

Greece's coastline measures 15,021 km (9,334 mi).

80% of Greece is mountainous, and it is one of the most mountainous countries of Europe.[citation needed] The Pindus mountain range lies across the center of the country in a northwest-to-southeast direction, with a maximum elevation of 2,637 m. Extensions of the same mountain range stretch across the Peloponnese and underwater across the Aegean, forming many of the Aegean Islands including Crete, and joining with the Taurus Mountains of southern Turkey. Central and western Greece contain high and steep peaks intersected by many canyons and other karstic landscapes, including the Meteora and the Vikos Gorges - the latter being one of the largest of the world and the third deepest after the Copper Canyon in Mexico and the Grand Canyon in the United States, plunging vertically for more than 1,100 metres.[citation needed]


Mount Olympus is the highest point in Greece and the fourth highest in relative topographical prominence in Europe,[citation needed] rising to 2,919 m above sea level. The Rhodope Mountains form the border between Greece and Bulgaria; that area is covered with vast and thick forests.

Plains are also found in eastern Thessaly, in central Macedonia and in Thrace. Western Greece contains lakes and wetlands.

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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Greece
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World Atlas - Geography of Greece

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With the vast percentage of its land comprised of hills and rugged mountains, Greece is one of the most mountainous countries in Europe. Its 13,676 km toothy-edged shoreline is deeply indented by dozens of gulfs.

The western half of the country is dominated by the steep peaks of the Pindus mountains, a range of the Dinaric Alps that stretch south from Albania and FYROM. Typical elevations here exceed 2,500 meters, and those mountains are punctuated by numerous lakes, rivers and wetlands.

The highest Greek mountain is Mount Olympus, rising to 2,918 meters (9,570 ft). To its immediate southwest stand the massive Meteora rock formations; gigantic pillars of stones worn smooth by wind and water over thousands of years.

In the far-north along its border with Bulgaria, the heavily-forested Southern Rhodope Mountain range spreads across the land.

Greece is home to a series of ancient volcanoes, including those on the islands of Kos, Methana, Milos, Nisyros, Poros and Santorini. None are currently erupting, and the last recorded significant eruptions occurred on the island of Nisyros in 1887/1888, and on the island of Santorini in 1950.

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Greece is fairly hostile terrain for road building, nothing like as bad as Norway ( which has half the 2000m + peaks in Europe all on its own) but not easy like Hungary.

Greece also has an incredible amount of archeology so once you start building a road there is a high risk you will find something to slow you down as well. Unlike Norway which doesn't really have many sites like that.

But Greece also had very overblown plans for a full Motorway network and no expressway standard roads or half profile sections anywhere, Motorway or bust. .
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It is really hard to tell exactly, which country is mountainous and how much, because we may use different methods to evaluation. But I think that stating "Greece is the 4th mountainous country in Europe" is indeed courageous. ;-)

Btw. I love Greece and visit it every year.
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By and this post its obvious you are trying to downgrade the country. First you said that "as it has been already told (has been told by whom except you?) Greece is a seaside country (what this suppose to mean?) with two significant and explicit axes (you sound like you are saying that Hellas has two major roads and the rest of the country has mule-roads or something like that)." Second, after my post with the map (where everyone by a simple look to the geographycal map can see the mountainous and the flat countries) and the stats, you continue in the same tone, "It is really hard to tell exactly, which country is mountainous and how much, because we may use different methods to evaluation." (what methods, dont you see the map and the statistics?) and you keep reapeating "But I think that stating "Greece is the 4th mountainous country in Europe" is indeed courageous. ;-) " when in reality as far as I know nobody claimed that.
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