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Old June 8th, 2014, 12:47 PM   #1901
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You guys are saying that Greece is now on a Street view ?
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You guys are saying that Greece is now on a Street view ?
Go and check it.
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Old June 8th, 2014, 06:50 PM   #1903
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You guys are saying that Greece is now on a Street view ?
Yes, now we have Google Steet View. See and your self...
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Old June 8th, 2014, 06:54 PM   #1904
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Big deal... really...
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Old June 9th, 2014, 04:33 AM   #1905
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Google Street View is another example of this ridiculous bureaucracy that created (and is still creating) so many problems to our country.

The photos were taken between 3-5 years ago (making Greece one of the first countries), but the Greek data protection authority had "concerns" about the privacy of people. I do understand these concerns, however Street View is available in most of the countries of the western world - most of these countries have the same concerns about privacy. But still Street View was available for most of them.

Unfortunately in our case the problem was solved after 5(!) years of waiting and now both us and visitors can "consult" Street View. Although many newly constructed roads are not included.
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Old June 9th, 2014, 11:25 AM   #1906
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Google Street View is another example of this ridiculous bureaucracy that created (and is still creating) so many problems to our country.

The photos were taken between 3-5 years ago (making Greece one of the first countries), but the Greek data protection authority had "concerns" about the privacy of people. I do understand these concerns, however Street View is available in most of the countries of the western world - most of these countries have the same concerns about privacy. But still Street View was available for most of them.

Unfortunately in our case the problem was solved after 5(!) years of waiting and now both us and visitors can "consult" Street View. Although many newly constructed roads are not included.
It is pretty ridiculous, since the quality of google streetview images is indeed bad. I can buy a low-class telephoto lens and breach the privacy even more.
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Old June 9th, 2014, 12:42 PM   #1907
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Google Street View is another example of this ridiculous bureaucracy that created (and is still creating) so many problems to our country.

The photos were taken between 3-5 years ago (making Greece one of the first countries), but the Greek data protection authority had "concerns" about the privacy of people. I do understand these concerns, however Street View is available in most of the countries of the western world - most of these countries have the same concerns about privacy. But still Street View was available for most of them.

Unfortunately in our case the problem was solved after 5(!) years of waiting and now both us and visitors can "consult" Street View. Although many newly constructed roads are not included.
What bureaucracy have to do with this? Its a foreign private company that wanted to photograph homes,cars,bikes etc., put the photos on the internet and whithout asking the permission of the owners. For example, they phothgraphed my bike and they didnt blur the plate of the bike, I dont want that. You cant sacrifice your basic rights (like privacy) in the name of technology or the western world or I dont know what else.
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Old June 9th, 2014, 02:20 PM   #1908
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If you knew the "story" behind the whole case, you would understand why I mention bureaucracy. Anyway, I will not speak about the obvious.

I have been using Street View for years and never saw a single face or a vehicle plate that is not blurred. Maybe this happened to you - you should report it, although I find it very unlikely that this happened.

Street View is a tool no matter what people say. It helped me (and many others) in a lot of cases.

And there are many countries that are available on Street View, why is it always in Greece that people have the strongest opinions - ALWAYS?

PS. I am a person that takes privacy extremely seriously. I don't post photos or anything personal on Facebook, Twitter or any other social network. I don't see how the privacy of people will be undermined if their vehicle or face is on Street View, blurred of course.
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Old June 9th, 2014, 02:22 PM   #1909
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It is pretty ridiculous, since the quality of google streetview images is indeed bad. I can buy a low-class telephoto lens and breach the privacy even more.
I read comments on Facebook all the previous days about people's faces that will appear on Street View. The funny thing is that all these people had tons of photos on Facebook (even more personal sometimes).

And as you said, the quality is pretty low anyway.
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If you knew the "story" behind the whole case, you would understand why I mention bureaucracy. Anyway, I will not speak about the obvious.
What story? Do you have inside infos from the DPA?

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I have been using Street View for years and never saw a single face or a vehicle plate that is not blurred. Maybe this happened to you - you should report it, although I find it very unlikely that this happened.
Since you have doubts, open the Google maps and go for example to Athens --> Syntagma square and you will see that the plates of many (if not the majority) bikes are not blurred.

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Street View is a tool no matter what people say. It helped me (and many others) in a lot of cases.
The same can be said by the others people too but with a different approach: "I don't like Google's attitude and its tool Street View, they thing that since they are major players in the tech world can do whatever they want, i don't agree with their methods no matter what people say".

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And there are many countries that are available on Street View, why is it always in Greece that people have the strongest opinions - ALWAYS?
Having a strong opinion in such matters (like privacy) is very good thing.

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PS. I am a person that takes privacy extremely seriously. I don't post photos or anything personal on Facebook, Twitter or any other social network. I don't see how the privacy of people will be undermined if their vehicle or face is on Street View, blurred of course.
If you are referring to me i don't have facebook neither twitter but it doesnt matter if you have facebook or not, if you don't want your property (home,car,bike etc.) or you as a person to be photographed, the company/state/individual person should respect that.
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Old June 9th, 2014, 06:54 PM   #1911
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What story? Do you have inside infos from the DPA?
No, but I know how the public sector works in Greece.

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Since you have doubts, open the Google maps and go for example to Athens --> Syntagma square and you will see that the plates of many (if not the majority) bikes are not blurred.
Nop, I have been looking for 10 minutes now and couldn't find a single plate not blurred.

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The same can be said by the others people too but with a different approach: "I don't like Google's attitude and its tool Street View, they thing that since they are major players in the tech world can do whatever they want, i don't agree with their methods no matter what people say".
I am not a big fan of Google, but I really like Street View and find it extremely useful. The rest is your opinion, which I will not comment on.

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Having a strong opinion in such matters (like privacy) is very good thing.
I value my private data as much as you do. But in this matter there is always the factor of exaggeration, that (unfortunately) in our country influences everything (I mean the exaggeration). Hence, most people have strong opinions, even for matters they no nothing or few things about.

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If you are referring to me i don't have facebook neither twitter but it doesnt matter if you have facebook or not, if you don't want your property (home,car,bike etc.) or you as a person to be photographed, the company/state/individual person should respect that.
I wasn't referring to you (how could I, since I don't know who you are) - I was speaking in general.
Btw, I can come outside your house and photograph it (with even more precision that Street View) and post it on-line. I cannot understand what the problem is when houses are being photographed, I mean what the danger is. I can understand about your face (I don't want mine posted either) or even your car/bike, but the house? The outside of the house is not a private thing, it is exposed to everyone passing by.
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Small comment on Google Street View, it was basically the same discussion years ago in Romania, but the law here (and I think in Greece too) as long as your on/travelling on public domain... you're public so there's no issue of private property. From here on the discussion can go forever, for me personally the service is quite useful.
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Since in about 3 weeks time I'll be driving in your country and as I always do on this excelent forum, I want to ask your oppinion about the route I'm goind to take.
I'll have two trip segments: Kulata - Seres - Thesalonoki - Olympic Beach (Katerini) (Kulata - A25 - A1) and then Katerini - Corfu (A2 + ferry).
Some questions and advice from you guys:

- any significant progress on A25 from two years ago when I was last there?
- any big bottle-necks on this route? Any additional info I need?
- any updated site for the Igoumenitsa – Lefkimmi ferry? (timetable, prices and so on?)

Any other advice I should take? (total trip - Bucharest - Olympic Beach and then Corfu)
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Nop, I have been looking for 10 minutes now and couldn't find a single plate not blurred.
Thats strange, personally it took me 1min. max to spot the non-blurred bike plates. Anyway i made some screenshots and send them to your PM box.
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I am not a big fan of Google, but I really like Street View and find it extremely useful. The rest is your opinion, which I will not comment on.
Basically, not only this quote but all the quotes you have comment is my opinion.
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No, but I know how the public sector works in Greece.
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I value my private data as much as you do. But in this matter there is always the factor of exaggeration, that (unfortunately) in our country influences everything (I mean the exaggeration). Hence, most people have strong opinions, even for matters they no nothing or few things about.
Friend, you are behaving exactly like the people you accusing. You dont know nothing or few things about the DPA yet you have strong opinion about the DPA. Personaly i don't know how the DPA works and i thing the public sector as a whole is mediocre to say the least (thanks to the traitors who call themeselfs "goverment") but i will not use the leveling logic that: Public sector (as a whole) = Bureaucracy , DPA = Public sector then in colcusion DPA = Bureaucratic. That is pure generalization.

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I wasn't referring to you (how could I, since I don't know who you are) - I was speaking in general.
Btw, I can come outside your house and photograph it (with even more precision that Street View) and post it on-line. I cannot understand what the problem is when houses are being photographed, I mean what the danger is. I can understand about your face (I don't want mine posted either) or even your car/bike, but the house? The outside of the house is not a private thing, it is exposed to everyone passing by.
I am not in the mood to go further and discuss sensitive issues like privacy in a foreign place like the international part of SSC and in a language that i can't express my thoughts the way i want. That was my last post about this subject, thank you for the discussion.
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Old June 10th, 2014, 03:24 PM   #1915
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Thanks for the photos, you were right and I was wrong. There are motorbikes with the plates not blurred. To be totally honest that is the first time that I see something on S.V. Anyway...

I do know some things about DPA (I am a PhD student in Information Security anyway) and even know people that are working in there.

The problem is more generic, rather than DPA alone. In my opinion there are bigger privacy concerns than Street View and I cannot see the problem with that program.

I think that is time to stop "arguing" on a topic that has nothing to do with privacy issues.
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Old June 12th, 2014, 12:43 AM   #1916
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I repost Engineer’s photos from stadia.gr forum.

A8, section Korinthos - Rio, Rio bound
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A5, section Antirrio - Ioannina, Ioannina bound
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A3, section Lamia (A1) - Xyniada (near Lamia)
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The underpass is part of the new Athens - Thessaloniki railway.
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Since in about 3 weeks time I'll be driving in your country and as I always do on this excelent forum, I want to ask your oppinion about the route I'm goind to take.
I'll have two trip segments: Kulata - Seres - Thesalonoki - Olympic Beach (Katerini) (Kulata - A25 - A1) and then Katerini - Corfu (A2 + ferry).
Some questions and advice from you guys:

- any significant progress on A25 from two years ago when I was last there?
- any big bottle-necks on this route? Any additional info I need?
- any updated site for the Igoumenitsa – Lefkimmi ferry? (timetable, prices and so on?)

Any other advice I should take? (total trip - Bucharest - Olympic Beach and then Corfu)
I am not sure if there was any significant progress in A25 during the last 2 years. Due to ecomonic crisis, many project suffered previous years. Construction has begun again last months. I think that only a small part (dual carriage upgrade) has been delivered.

Also there is no bottle -necks in your route. Both A1(Katerini- Thessaloniki) and A2 are completed highways with 2 or 3 lines per direction. Except from the part of A2 around Thessaloniki, there is no chance to find traffic more than medium. Around Thessaloniki, the traffic might be more descent but no delay is expected.
For the part of A25 still under construction, there might be some delays in that areas but not something serious. Just speed reduction.

One very important tip is that in A2 there are not yet constructed Rest Area. Therefore, be very careful with your gas. My recommendation is to full your car before starting the second part of your trip and if needed exit again A2 in Ioannina (I/C 05) where many gas station are located in the road to city center.

If this is your first time driving in A2, you will really enjoy it. It is a great road with many impressive tunnel and bridges and the surrounding through mountain totally worths. One more recommendation, if you want to make a stop during your route, I will suggest Metsovo village (I/C 07 - be careful not 07A). A beautiful traditional village only 4km away from A2.


Finally regarding the ferry route Igoumenitsa - Leukimmi, this is the site of ferry company (check timetables & prices).

http://www.lefkimmilines.gr/


Enjoy your stay in our country!!
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Enjoy your stay in our country!!
Yes, I'm looking forward to driving the second part of A2, I've done the first part, Turkey - Kavala last year, already nice, I know the road to the west is amazing.
I hope to have a GoPro camera to film as much as possible.

Thank you so much, as I do every year, I am sure this year I'll have the best of times
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I love Greek roads too. Especially on north, I love the feeling, half-empty motorways, coastlines, stress free ride... Ok, I admit my opinion might be distorted due to holiday I can't wait to See you on 15th July
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Waiting time at the border? Any details on that?
I'll be there on Saturday morning
According to this article on 28th June(Saturday):
-7:30 AM waiting time was 20min, direction BG-GR
-9:00 AM waiting time was 1h, direction BG-GR
-around noon traffic flow gradually reverses
-13:30 PM waiting time was 20-30min both directions.

The majority is consisted of romanians and bulgarians. But there are also many moldavians and ukranians. ~20k cars a day use it during the weekend.




According to this report Makaza border checkpoint might overtake Kulata border checkpoint in terms of traffic among border checkpoints along BG/GR border, making it the busiest border checkpoint in the summer season.
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